Most of the time when someone asks about football D-I scholarship offers, they mean FBS preferably to FCS. And actual scholarship compared to walk on.

 

And NO PAPER (outside of the LHL or CJ themselves) have ANYTHING to do with LHL Class of the Commonwealth or Courier-Journal Coaches' All-State (which is ran by the CJ, but voted on by the Coaches' themselves). Not News-Enterprise. Not BG Daily News. Not Pikeville Appalachian News-Express. Not Somerset Commonwealth Journal. Not The State Journal of Frankfort. Not The News-Graphic of Georgetown. Not the Kentucky New Era of Hopkinsville.

 

As far as AP All-State, gonna take far more than just the E'town paper to get a kid first or second team. Or just the BG paper. Or just the Hopkinsville paper. Or just the Ashland paper (which apparently chose not to vote). Obviously the E'town paper doesn't have near as huge pull/power as you think it does since ZERO E'town-area kids made first team and only two made second team ... ONE FROM MEADE COUNTY (your own school).

 

If it's about making honorable mention, eh. There's posters on here (see previous pages on this thread) who suggest honorable mention:

- Takes more than one vote

- Is done away with completely.

 

Either way, that doesn't help an shafted/forgotten/excluded player.

 

But to answer Jason Frakes' question, ZERO players (that we know of) have viable FBS scholarship offers were left off the CJ team. At least no one has provided a name for such snubbed player who is sitting on an FBS offer.

 

Also: John Wilson made AP All-State. ... What school is he from (hint: NOT from Hardin County)?

Olmstead was honorable mention All-State by the C-J.

 

Hedger wasn't listed, but it's harder for TEs to make it when they're lumped in with WR or OL and not by themselves (same with FB when they're lumped in with RB).

 

According to yahoo, Hedger has three offers (Austin Peay, Hampton and Holy Cross), but none from the 70+ FBS schools (when Jason Frakes was talking about D-I, he was probably referring to FBS and not FCS which non-scholarship Morehead, non-scholarship Dayton and the non-scholarship Ivy League schools play in).

 

Big difference between Auburn and Austin Peay or between Hawaii and Hampton.

 

Andrew Hedger - Yahoo! Sports

Hedger will be a full scholarship player at Austin Peay.

Most of the time when someone asks about football D-I scholarship offers, they mean FBS preferably to FCS. And actual scholarship compared to walk on.

 

And NO PAPER (outside of the LHL or CJ themselves) have ANYTHING to do with LHL Class of the Commonwealth or Courier-Journal Coaches' All-State (which is ran by the CJ, but voted on by the Coaches' themselves). Not News-Enterprise. Not BG Daily News. Not Pikeville Appalachian News-Express. Not Somerset Commonwealth Journal. Not The State Journal of Frankfort. Not The News-Graphic of Georgetown. Not the Kentucky New Era of Hopkinsville.

 

As far as AP All-State, gonna take far more than just the E'town paper to get a kid first or second team. Or just the BG paper. Or just the Hopkinsville paper. Or just the Ashland paper (which apparently chose not to vote). Obviously the E'town paper doesn't have near as huge pull/power as you think it does since ZERO E'town-area kids made first team and only two made second team ... ONE FROM MEADE COUNTY (your own school).

 

If it's about making honorable mention, eh. There's posters on here (see previous pages on this thread) who suggest honorable mention:

- Takes more than one vote

- Is done away with completely.

 

Either way, that doesn't help an shafted/forgotten/excluded player.

 

But to answer Jason Frakes' question, ZERO players (that we know of) have viable FBS scholarship offers were left off the CJ team. At least no one has provided a name for such snubbed player who is sitting on an FBS offer.

 

Also: John Wilson made AP All-State. ... What school is he from (hint: NOT from Hardin County)?

 

No sense rehashing the C-J list everyone knows how it works (As been DISCUSSED on this thread and others).

 

Who submits the names for the AP ballot?

Edited January 5, 201511 yr by Justafan#85

Print media is a dying profession. Not sure why anyone cares about a poll put out by them? Wait for the BGP Poll! :thumb:

Print media is a dying profession. Not sure why anyone cares about a poll put out by them? Wait for the BGP Poll! :thumb:

I was going to make a similar comment. If the persons who are charged with selecting an all star/state team, whether it be coaches, writers, AP members -whatever - don't consider their job that important, then why should the populace get so up in arms about it? Just accept for what it is. Not much. It's nice to be recognized but whether or not you make honorable mention all-state your senior year should not define your life (or in some cases, your parents' lives). I hope I am not sounding too harsh, but these all state teams are spotty at best and seem to reek of provincialism. So why worry about them?

Print media is a dying profession. Not sure why anyone cares about a poll put out by them? Wait for the BGP Poll! :thumb:

 

The BGP team is always solid.

 

It also goes last most of the time, which means it can wait on the LHL and CJ and AP teams to be released and the Senior All-Star teams to be announced.

 

While the AP team was just released, votes were done a while ago.

 

When you go last, you better be the best. Because you can see what those before you did well and you can learn from their mistakes.

True in theory CKS, but I can attest that the other lists have very little to no influence on the All BGP Team.

True in theory CKS, but I can attest that the other lists have very little to no influence on the All BGP Team.

 

I posted this on another thread, but felt it applied here.

 

Here's my thoughts on all the BGP lists. IMO, they are the most solid list we have. They don't have to wait on nominations or write ups or input from anyone. There are no "well they didn't participate or we don't have representation from that area." I have no idea how they do it, but it always feels like they try to make the best, informed decisions possible. I think the difference in their list and others is they actually put the human and gut factor into it. Sure, they gather all the data, look at records, look at match ups, etc. But I also think once they dwindle their list down, they look at what teams they "feel" are the best and that's why most feel they are the best list to go by. Teams have bad days and even bad weeks, but if you are trying to identify the "top X" number of teams, there is a gut feeling that has to be applied. It's not black and white based on stats or records. You use all the facts to get a repository of teams, but once that happens, you debate on who is better, regardless of every stat and record. That's why their list is generally the most respected. IMO.

 

(was referring to Girls bball here) For example, Notre Dame in NKY is like 5-8 and actually fell out of the coach's poll in NKY. We played them last night. They aren't in the top 10 in NKY, but they are the 4th best team in the 9th, without a doubt in my mind and I'm sure that will play out over the next couple weeks. So if you look at records and stats, they don't deserve to be in the top 10. If you watch them play and understand who they have played and that they lost 3 key seniors and are just now putting it together with a new PG...my guess is you'd agree that they are no less than the 4th best in the 9th, just behind the three in the top 20 list.

 

BGP lists may not be perfect, but in my opinion, they are the best we have. (that's not knocking the others. The others are setup where they are dependent of outside factors they can't control all the time)

I posted this on another thread, but felt it applied here.

 

Here's my thoughts on all the BGP lists. IMO, they are the most solid list we have. They don't have to wait on nominations or write ups or input from anyone. There are no "well they didn't participate or we don't have representation from that area." I have no idea how they do it, but it always feels like they try to make the best, informed decisions possible. I think the difference in their list and others is they actually put the human and gut factor into it. Sure, they gather all the data, look at records, look at match ups, etc. But I also think once they dwindle their list down, they look at what teams they "feel" are the best and that's why most feel they are the best list to go by. Teams have bad days and even bad weeks, but if you are trying to identify the "top X" number of teams, there is a gut feeling that has to be applied. It's not black and white based on stats or records. You use all the facts to get a repository of teams, but once that happens, you debate on who is better, regardless of every stat and record. That's why their list is generally the most respected. IMO.

 

(was referring to Girls bball here) For example, Notre Dame in NKY is like 5-8 and actually fell out of the coach's poll in NKY. We played them last night. They aren't in the top 10 in NKY, but they are the 4th best team in the 9th, without a doubt in my mind and I'm sure that will play out over the next couple weeks. So if you look at records and stats, they don't deserve to be in the top 10. If you watch them play and understand who they have played and that they lost 3 key seniors and are just now putting it together with a new PG...my guess is you'd agree that they are no less than the 4th best in the 9th, just behind the three in the top 20 list.

 

BGP lists may not be perfect, but in my opinion, they are the best we have. (that's not knocking the others. The others are setup where they are dependent of outside factors they can't control all the time)

 

Football thread not a girls basketball thread!

Football thread not a girls basketball thread!

 

LA...where did you say that "ignore" button was??

Football thread not a girls basketball thread!

Why don't you just let the admins, guides, and moderators handle the administering of the forums. :thumb:

It definitely looks eastern and central areas are heavily skewed (9 for pulaski??) While Owensboro has 3, they missed on not giving Airus Phillups at least HM as a safety. Owensboro Catholic had the best statistical QB in the state and he didn't get an HM??? Are you kidding me? If this kid were at Highlands he'd be leading them to the state championship every year he was there. He's an incredible athlete and plays bball, football, baseball. Owensboro Catholic had 2 GREAT LB's with around 160 tackles each (Reed and Boarman) - not even HM? That's ridiculous!

 

I think there are gripes to go around but this is like most polls - biased to some degree.

It definitely looks eastern and central areas are heavily skewed (9 for pulaski??) While Owensboro has 3, they missed on not giving Airus Phillups at least HM as a safety. Owensboro Catholic had the best statistical QB in the state and he didn't get an HM??? Are you kidding me? If this kid were at Highlands he'd be leading them to the state championship every year he was there. He's an incredible athlete and plays bball, football, baseball. Owensboro Catholic had 2 GREAT LB's with around 160 tackles each (Reed and Boarman) - not even HM? That's ridiculous!

 

I think there are gripes to go around but this is like most polls - biased to some degree.

 

Not too much bias if other O'Cath players made it too.

 

The problem with Zuberer is this: While you vote for 10 (TEN) Offensive linemen (five first team, five second team), and 8 (EIGHT) defensive linemen (four first team, four second team), you vote for a grand total of 2 QBS (one first team, one second team).

 

A first-place vote for an OL gets you 10 points (since you vote for 10), but a first-place vote for a QB only gets you 2 (since you vote for 2).

 

I could name more QBs than OL or DL, yet more OL and DL make the team (since it is not broken up by C, LG, LT, RG, RT, DE, NG, DT).

 

So it was much easier for his fellow Aces to make the team than it was for Zuberer.

 

Koree Krupinski of CH (2013 Area Offensive Player of the Year, 2014 Area Offensive Runner-up, 2014 Louisville vs. State offensive MVP) didn't get HM either. Nor did Reece Ryan.

 

Lots of good QBs don't make honorable mention (same thing for decent kickers and punters since you only vote for 2 each as well).

Koree Krupinski should have made HM no matter what. QB..FB..TE get the short end of the stick on all these list. Not sure why the the QB category can't be increased and FB/TE positions added. Every position on offense should be represented. TE will never have the stats WR do and the same goes for FB vs RB. What's amazing TE and FB are very special positions that not everyone can master.

Koree Krupinski should have made HM no matter what. QB..FB..TE get the short end of the stick on all these list. Not sure why the the QB category can't be increased and FB/TE positions added.

 

I have to agree with this statement. This kid is a winner and brought a lot of intangibles to Central Hardin. I am curious though if them going to a Wing T style offense hurt him because his stats were not the same as they were last year.