What happened at Carroll County?

Looks like East Carter's coach landed on his feet again...just hired as the LBs coach at Morehead State...congrats coach Moore!

McCracken County - See further below

Lou. Seneca- See further below

 

Lou. J-town- Historically a tough place to win, but you get a magnet school on the East side of Louisville where no public school has ever really achieved much.

 

Union County- Not a bad spot. Union has won some games before. Alignment doesn't help much as 3A West will be almost impossible to reach the Finals and the DIstrict has big names.. but the opposite district isn't exactly full of power houses.

 

Daviess County- Historically a weak program, but Daviess County is geographically a very strong location. Someone has to build the program strong enough that talent doesn't flow to Owensboro or OCath.

 

 

Bullitt Central- More further below

 

 

 

Of the open jobs the only ones that I think a coach has a chance of sustaining a winning tradition are the ones above. Explanations for some.

 

Of the list above the only jobs I would consider as places where a coach can have immediate success or in a short amount of time are:

 

McCracken County- Excellent job. Huge talent pool, already have a winning culture, big expectations though

 

Bullitt Central- Not so much a winning culture but Bullitt County is one of the worst performing population bases in all of KY. I think if a coach can remodel the youth football league there is talent there.

 

Seneca- Don't know if you will ever compete for a State Title but there is no question you can find talent.

 

Warren East- Never a shortage of talent and have had some very strong seasons. Outside of McCracken probably the best open job out there.

Edited December 22, 201411 yr by ATLCat

If Warren East is such a good job then why did the last coach leave so quickly? How long was he there...like a year or two?

If Warren East is such a good job then why did the last coach leave so quickly? How long was he there...like a year or two?

 

Sammy

 

I think it had a lot to do with Coach Long just deciding to step away. He's been around a long time as an assistant and HC in the Warren County/BG/Allen County areas. He's 60-65 or so I believe.

 

A little known fact very few out there know, but Coach Long actually took the HC job at Bowling Green back in the winter of 1996 after Coach Haley retired. I believe he took the job in January of February of '96, then later resigned it in June due to them not following through on some hires (assistant coaches) that they told him were going to happen.

 

So, here the BG job was open yet again. Their 2nd and 3rd choices in the process were Marty Jaggers (who was at Lincoln County) and Joe Hood (who was at Warren Central). Obviously, with it being so late in the year, neither of those men who were currently HC's at their present schools didn't take the job (that they no doubt would have taken had it been back in the winter)....and, the rest is history with Kevin Wallace (big fan of here) who was an assistant on the BG staff after coming over from Warren East where he had been the HC for 10 years.

 

Talk about a Cinderella story for those out there out of a job. Coach Wallace had a career record of 20 or so games below .500 and only one winning season in his 10 years as an HC.

 

I know I got a little off subject, but thought I'd throw out a little 'Did you know?' for some.

McCracken County - See further below

Lou. Seneca- See further below

 

Lou. J-town- Historically a tough place to win, but you get a magnet school on the East side of Louisville where no public school has ever really achieved much.

 

Union County- Not a bad spot. Union has won some games before. Alignment doesn't help much as 3A West will be almost impossible to reach the Finals and the DIstrict has big names.. but the opposite district isn't exactly full of power houses.

 

Daviess County- Historically a weak program, but Daviess County is geographically a very strong location. Someone has to build the program strong enough that talent doesn't flow to Owensboro or OCath.

 

 

Bullitt Central- More further below

 

 

 

Of the open jobs the only ones that I think a coach has a chance of sustaining a winning tradition are the ones above. Explanations for some.

 

Of the list above the only jobs I would consider as places where a coach can have immediate success or in a short amount of time are:

 

McCracken County- Excellent job. Huge talent pool, already have a winning culture, big expectations though

 

Bullitt Central- Not so much a winning culture but Bullitt County is one of the worst performing population bases in all of KY. I think if a coach can remodel the youth football league there is talent there.

 

Seneca- Don't know if you will ever compete for a State Title but there is no question you can find talent.

 

Warren East- Never a shortage of talent and have had some very strong seasons. Outside of McCracken probably the best open job out there.

 

I will give you the Bullitt County youth league is a mess and I can't believe it is 2014 and they don't have middle school football, but I don't get the worst performing population base comment. Bullitt East has 2 state final appearances, North has won several regional titles, Central struggled for a long time as a part of 4A/6A but the move to 5A has been good for them.

 

Bullitt Central will struggle because the proximity of Shepherdsville to 65 there is a lot of local talent that magically ends up at T, St. X, DeSales, Holy Cross and more recently Christian Academy.

I will give you the Bullitt County youth league is a mess and I can't believe it is 2014 and they don't have middle school football, but I don't get the worst performing population base comment. Bullitt East has 2 state final appearances, North has won several regional titles, Central struggled for a long time as a part of 4A/6A but the move to 5A has been good for them.

 

Bullitt Central will struggle because the proximity of Shepherdsville to 65 there is a lot of local talent that magically ends up at T, St. X, DeSales, Holy Cross and more recently Christian Academy.

 

If you break down Kentucky counties by population size and the amount of State Finals and State-Runner Ups Bullitt is one of the ten or fifteen worst performing counties.

 

In terms of counties with no State Championships won in the modern era of the KHSAA only Madison County (85,590) has a higher population without a State Championship.

 

Bullitt County has a population over 70,000 people and no Championships and only two runner-up finishes.

 

By contrast to smaller or roughly equal counties:

 

Breathitt (13,535) 3 Championships

Whitley (35,766) 3 Championships

Bourbon (19,988) 4 Championships

Logan (26,876) 3 Championships

Bell (27,885) 3 Championships

Harlan (28,499) 4 Championships

Boyle (29,013) 17 Championships

Graves (37,451) 11 Championships

Nelson (44,540) 5 Championships

Pike (63,380) 8 Championships

McCracken (65,373) 4 Championships

Christian (74,167) 10 Championships

 

Just to name a few....

 

 

To your point though...it is almost unimaginable that a county the size of Bullitt in essentially the suburbs of a metro area doesn't have Middle School football.It also is a perfect case study to show how the role of a strong feeder systems drastically can change an area's football prowess.

Edited December 22, 201411 yr by ATLCat

^^^

Not to get side tracked on the thread but on the topic of the impact of feeder schools and the list I posted Breathitt County is another sterling example of this point.

 

For years Breathitt had pound for pound one of the best programs in all of Kentucky despite being in a very rural area. Breathitt County has won 3 Titles and reached 4 State Finals. A massive part of this could directly be tied to their feeder system and how they modeled their offense from the ground up.

 

In recent years Breathitt's feeder system has fell completely apart as the result of politics and a State takeover of the school system. Now Breathitt is reaching unprecedented lows in their program and I am not sure if they will be able to recover in the immediate future.

Bullitt Central will struggle because the proximity of Shepherdsville to 65 there is a lot of local talent that magically ends up at T, St. X, DeSales, Holy Cross and more recently Christian Academy.

 

You mean kids that want to go to successful programs and get a great education.

You mean kids that want to go to successful programs and get a great education.

 

Yup.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again: If I have a daughter and she wants to pursue volleyball at the highest level (club, earn a scholarship), then I doubt she'll be attending Bullitt Central, Waggener, Doss, etc. I'll do whatever I can to get her to SHA-Mercy-Assumption and that has NOTHING to do with magic or the evil R-word. It has to do with putting her in a position to succeed.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if Bullitt Central has lost kids to Bullitt East, just because BE is historically better and close by.

 

FWIW, I have NO ties to ANY of the schools I just mentioned above.

Yup.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again: If I have a daughter and she wants to pursue volleyball at the highest level (club, earn a scholarship), then I doubt she'll be attending Bullitt Central, Waggener, Doss, etc. I'll do whatever I can to get her to SHA-Mercy-Assumption and that has NOTHING to do with magic or the evil R-word. It has to do with putting her in a position to succeed.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if Bullitt Central has lost kids to Bullitt East, just because BE is historically better and close by.

 

FWIW, I have NO ties to ANY of the schools I just mentioned above.

 

I too have no dog in this fight, in terms of the schools involved. But I tire very quickly when I hear the traditional "better education" and "win a title at a higher level" refrain. As a long time coach, and everywhere I have ever been as the coach in charge of handling college recruiters, I can tell you definitively that college programs eagerly jump on talented players who stuck it out in the districts, and schools, where they should be attending, and helping to build their local program. The heart, loyalty and perseverance that is required to do that is a trait that cannot be taught, and is highly valued by programs at the next level. And anybody who knows anything about education, knows that 75% of education revolves around the home environment, not in schools that target academic achievers who require little assistance, expel students who "do not meet the requirements" and then boast about their "academic success".

Marion County posted their opening today.

You mean kids that want to go to successful programs and get a great education.

 

Its funny because the original post I replied to was criticizing the quality of the Bullitt County youth league yet that doesnt seem to deter coaches from the schools I mentioned showing up to recruit kids on Saturdays and Sundays.

 

And while those schools have their advantages the state recently recognized Bullitt County as a proficient school district, with several schools earning the distinguished honor. Considering the lower levels of college education by adults in Bullitt County in general and considering Bullitt County has significantly lower spending per pupil than any neighboring district, Id say they are doing pretty well with the cards they are dealt.

 

We don't all have the luxury of picking who we get to educate.

Yup.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again: If I have a daughter and she wants to pursue volleyball at the highest level (club, earn a scholarship), then I doubt she'll be attending Bullitt Central, Waggener, Doss, etc. I'll do whatever I can to get her to SHA-Mercy-Assumption and that has NOTHING to do with magic or the evil R-word. It has to do with putting her in a position to succeed.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if Bullitt Central has lost kids to Bullitt East, just because BE is historically better and close by.

 

FWIW, I have NO ties to ANY of the schools I just mentioned above.

 

Central has lost kids to East and vice versa because Bullitt County has open enrollment within the county. Now ask any school like that to compete with those who can recruit students from anywhere and it becomes a rather ridiculous argument.

Central has lost kids to East and vice versa because Bullitt County has open enrollment within the county. Now ask any school like that to compete with those who can recruit students from anywhere and it becomes a rather ridiculous argument.

 

Open enrollment can be fickle, though.

 

Jefferson has open enrollment. As such, it's hard for Moore, Shawnee, Western to climb back from the have-nots to the haves.

 

Hardin County (public) and Elizabethtown (independent) have a quota tradeoff. Meaning if you apply and get picked, you can go to the other. Elizabethtown also allows tuition for out-of-district kids.

 

Scott County has proven it can compete, though, in most sports across the board.