What's the difference in a national id card and a social security card, other than maybe a picture?

Guru, does your question have anything to do with this?

 

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I don't know enough about the issue to make a decision.

 

Grew up with an American ID card. Had one from like the age of 10 or so. Had to show it to get into all the American places like the Post Exchange, Commissary, movie theater, American hospital, etc. I think that when you were able to drive and passed the test, they put some kind of stamp across it.

Never thought twice about it. Everyone had to show it to get into places. Just part of life.

Have an ID proving citizenship and if you don't have one you are sent back to your country.

 

Just think how different we'd be if the Indians were smart enough to do this several hundred years ago. Right?

Just think how different we'd be if the Indians were smart enough to do this several hundred years ago. Right?

 

Now you've thrown a wrench into it... :lol2:

If the issue is that certain states' ID cards/licenses don't meet the Federal requirements, those states should be made to fix their ID cards. I don't really think a National ID Card is necessary. There's no point to having that AND a Driver's License from your home state, AND an SS card, AND a passport for those people that have them.

Have an ID proving citizenship and if you don't have one you are sent back to your country.

 

So if I don't have an ID what country do I get sent back to?

Just another step leading to a one world government.

I don't have a problem with it for the locations that they have listed--as long as we only have to provide it when entering those locations or are being lawfully detained. The authorities should not be able to demand ID unless you are suspected of a crime or in a situation that demands proof of age.

I am not necessarily a fan of a national ID...but I'm willing to make a concession. I'd agree with a national ID...IF...said ID was available ONLY to actual legitimate/legal citizens of this country (ie. no illegals and legal non-citizens could get one), AND said national ID HAD to be presented before one could vote. Unless or until that happens, NO on a national ID.

When we say "national ID card" are we talking about one with an embedded chip?

If my national ID works as a driver's license and a passport then I am all for it.

Having a highly secure, tamper resistant 'document' (and that could be like today's DL in size and form) is probably all good. And making it usable as a drivers license and make it available to others as a non-DL is good. And then the expectation would be - every adult who participates in activities in the US as a responsible citizen (i.e. they are not 'off-grid') would have this 'universal ID'. And it should be used for ALL (voting included) government/civic interactions. As a society, we need would need to make it cheap and easy for all.

 

The worry would be - the big database in the sky. HOW would this ID be used to interact with that DB as outlined in Real ID? Beyond ID/nationality verification how else could the ID used if it interacts with a centeralized DB that all or almost all government entities would have access to. Giving the access to the vast number of government entities must be a security nightmare - if it is being done anywhere near correctly.

 

Will the ID interact with the DB and not only be used to 'verify' you but will it also RECORD you use of the ID and thus track your presence where and when you show it? Clearly TSA is doing that now at airports with their DL scanners. Will the need for this interaction eliminate common sense in day to day, broad use? i.e. if the network is down with no access to the DB-in-the-sky do they refuse to let you do what you are there to do even if no other red-flags are present?

 

There is a need to prove who we are at times. A solid document for that is good. But beyond that how else would this 'system' that goes well beyond a tamper-resistant ID work?

I just redid passports for two of my kids whose previous ones were only good for 5 years. I did the whole family 5 years ago so the others are still good. It was expensive $110 each to Department of State and some more to local post office for pictures and processing. If that is the cost and price of an ID I would see some definite accessibility concerns.

Guru, does your question have anything to do with this?

 

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I did not look at the link but no.

 

In short, a National ID Card like Bluegrass mentioned (and that would act as a passport too like PP92 mentioned) would kill about ten birds with one stone. It makes so much sense. Of course the government is going to track us but that is a reality of technology in the future that there is no getting around.