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Lebron's Legacy Question (2013)

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According to NBA.com Wilt has two NBA Championships (1967, 1972)

 

Correct.

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What if James puts the Heat on his back and they come back to win the series. How much would a LeBron lead comeback enhance his legacy?

Not much. You are playing against an aging Spurs' squad whose best player is hurt. This is only a 2-1 deficit and they still have the much better talent. This is not down 3 runs heading in to the 9th inning type stuff here.

Not much. You are playing against an aging Spurs' squad whose best player is hurt. This is only a 2-1 deficit and they still have the much better talent. This is not down 3 runs heading in to the 9th inning type stuff here.

 

Agreed, people expect him to never be in this position.

I don't really think that his legacy will be affected for me. Whether he wins another four rings or losing in another four finals, in my mind his legacy is that he can't get it done without other superstars.

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I don't really think that his legacy will be affected for me. Whether he wins another four rings or losing in another four finals, in my mind his legacy is that he can't get it done without other superstars.

 

That's everybody's legacy though. Nobody did it without other superstars. It you look at all the great teams and players that won titles you'll see that a large majority of them were surrounded by at least one other HoF, All Star, All NBA player. All of them.

The great ones win when they get there.

 

So is Robert Horry the greatest ever?

So is Robert Horry the greatest ever?

 

Greatest role player ever.

Question.

 

Lebron finally won a title last year. This season is arguably his finest season as a pro. If the Heat lose this season in the Finals it will be the third time Lebron hasn't won a title while making it to the Finals. MJ never lost 3. Hell, MJ never lost in the Finals. Kobe has only lost twice in the Finals in his 7 trips to the Finals. Does that diminish Lebron's legacy if the Heat don't win the title this year?

 

 

I think it will.

 

 

 

It will and that's why I'm hoping it doesn't happen. I don't know if Miami peaked too early this season or what, but the team that has played the last two or three series' isn't the same team that was killing people all year.

 

Lebron has to win this one, can't drop to 1 of 4 in the Finals, just can't do it....

That's everybody's legacy though. Nobody did it without other superstars. It you look at all the great teams and players that won titles you'll see that a large majority of them were surrounded by at least one other HoF, All Star, All NBA player. All of them.

 

I was specific with my word superstars...focusing on the s at the end, not another superstar. If he won titles with just Bosh, I think it would have been much better for his legacy. Playing along side Bosh and Wade sealed it for me.

 

Just my opinion. It hurt his legacy potential.

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I was specific with my word superstars...focusing on the s at the end, not another superstar. If he won titles with just Bosh, I think it would have been much better for his legacy. Playing along side Bosh and Wade sealed it for me.

 

Just my opinion. It hurt his legacy potential.

 

 

So Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan and Larry Bird all get a pass from you? They all won and lost titles with guys I consider better than Bosh and Wade.

We've seen glimpses of his killer instinct but he definitely doesn't have it 24/7 like Kobe and Mike do and for me that is a problem. He should be in Game 6 in Boston mode every playoff game IMO.

 

You just put the cheese on the cracker there my friend.

No matter how logical, it would hurt lebrons legacy if they won the series but wade won MVP.

So Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan and Larry Bird all get a pass from you? They all won and lost titles with guys I consider better than Bosh and Wade.

 

Given today's talent being spread amongst more teams, I am not sure you can draw a direct parallel between those you mentioned. Jordan would be the closest and I will never believe that Pippen was as good as his reputation... at least not on the level on Dwayne Wade. I think people forget how good Wade is. When healthy and rolling I think he is the most devastating player in the NBA. Every person thinks of the Chris Bosh of today, but the dude is still All Pro caliber and averaged 24 and 11 the season before coming to South Beach. That is impressive. Magic had Kareem at the end of his career but that was Magic's show but I will give you that one. Bird, some solid talent but not on the Dwayne Wade level. In the 80s there were also about 10 less teams so the opposition theoretically should have been better. I think he is saying teaming up with two all pro caliber players his unheard of. Especially when you are already considered the best.

No matter how logical, it would hurt lebrons legacy if they won the series but wade won MVP.

 

Very much so. If the Heat come back and win the series - which I still think will happen since they have home court advantage - Wade will be MVP if he continues his play. Fair or not, people will never believe that it is truly LeBron's team if other guys are having to carry the team to a title via a final's MVP.

Very much so. If the Heat come back and win the series - which I still think will happen since they have home court advantage - Wade will be MVP if he continues his play. Fair or not, people will never believe that it is truly LeBron's team if other guys are having to carry the team to a title via a final's MVP.

 

I just don't see anybody on the Heat winning MVP other than LeBron if they win it all. Wade would have to score 40 the next two games and LeBron 20 or less for that to even be possible. JMO, of course.

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