The little Parker's girl dad laughing before the press conference was very disturbing to me.

I've read that at least three victim fund websites were created a day or two before Dec 14th, if this is true then that is a little strange. Also saw where a Victoria Soto memorial page was created on facebook on Dec. 10th, but was quickly removed after it was pointed out by posters asking why the page was made on the 10th. On Dec 14th, an Emilee Parker memorial facebook page was created with posts that morning describing her tragic loss of life. A couple hours later another post says that they do not know whether or not Emilee is still at the school, hospital, alive, dead, etc. First of all why would you make a memorial page for your daughter if you do not know she is dead, second of all why would that be the first thing you do if your a parent and just tragically lost your daughter. I couldn't imagine many parents hearing this horrific news and then thinking, well I better get on facebook and make me a facebook page, just don't see that happening right after such tragedy.

 

 

 

Out of everything discussed I find these things more intriguing then anything, internet time stamps do not lie. The Sandy Hook United Way page was created on the 13th?

The little Parker's girl dad laughing before the press conference was very disturbing to me.

 

Especially when it was like he just flipped a switch and went into grieving mode.

A guy tries, and does, get some information directly from official source - Lt. Vance with Connecticut State Police . He takes credit for a press release issued while he was on phone. Youtube but all audio.

 

Call #2 with Connecticut State Police regarding Sandy Hook Starring Lt. Vance - YouTube

 

Press release issued apparently while he was on phone.

 

despp: ** UPDATE ** State Police Identify Weapons in Sandy Hook Investigation

 

From Press Release:

 

 

Seized inside the school:

 

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine

 

 

#2. Glock 10 mm handgun

 

#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

 

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:

#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

A guy tries, and does, get some information directly from official source - Lt. Vance with Connecticut State Police . He takes credit for a press release issued while he was on phone. Youtube but all audio.

 

Call #2 with Connecticut State Police regarding Sandy Hook Starring Lt. Vance - YouTube

 

Press release issued apparently while he was on phone.

 

despp: ** UPDATE ** State Police Identify Weapons in Sandy Hook Investigation

 

From Press Release:

 

 

Seized inside the school:

 

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine

 

 

#2. Glock 10 mm handgun

 

#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

 

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:

#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

 

So am I understanding that this list was put out there originally by the investigating police?

 

They are re-issuing the report because so many media conflicts and internet confusions have not bothered to read it?

 

Thanks for digging it up Bluegrasscard. :thumb:

So am I understanding that this list was put out there originally by the investigating police?

 

They are re-issuing the report because so many media conflicts and internet confusions have not bothered to read it?

 

Thanks for digging it up Bluegrasscard. :thumb:

 

Vance has said at least a couple of times that HE (personally) is the ONLY source of official information. And he has threatened legal action against anyone contacting families or 'hindering the investigation'.

 

Here is a 12/16 Press Release:

 

despp: ** UPDATE ** Newtown School Shooting

 

From this release:

 

Additionally, “anyone who harasses or threatens the victims, victims’ families or witnesses of these horrific crimes, or who, in any manner interferes with the ongoing state or federal investigations will be referred for state and/or federal prosecution to the fullest extent permitted by law. Harassment not only includes in-person contact, but also contact via the internet, social media, and telephone.” Social media includes, but is not limited to, Facebook, Blogs, YouTube, Twitter, Pinterest, and MySpace. Harassment or interfering includes, but is not limited to, making claims of your involvement in the crime or making claims that hinder the advancement of the investigation.

 

Here is the 2012 Press Releases:

 

despp: Press Releases

 

Here are 2013 Press Releases:

 

despp: Press Releases

 

The caller made 2 calls and was first referred to the press releases for 'answers'. There really were no specific answers in the press releases but the caller did indicate that they released the weapons list while he was on the phone with Vance. This was the first time this information was posted by CT police in a formal manner - a month and 4 days after the incident.

 

I think the line on the Bushmaster would be viewed as inconsistent or at least lacking additional items if there were well over 100 shots fire from it. Can you see this or would you agree?

 

 

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine

So am I understanding that this list was put out there originally by the investigating police?

 

They are re-issuing the report because so many media conflicts and internet confusions have not bothered to read it?

 

Thanks for digging it up Bluegrasscard. :thumb:

 

So most of the misinformation boils down to the press releasing the wrong information? Right?

Vance has said at least a couple of times that HE (personally) is the ONLY source of official information. And he has threatened legal action against anyone contacting families or 'hindering the investigation'.

 

Here is a 12/16 Press Release:

 

despp: ** UPDATE ** Newtown School Shooting

 

From this release:

 

Additionally, “anyone who harasses or threatens the victims, victims’ families or witnesses of these horrific crimes, or who, in any manner interferes with the ongoing state or federal investigations will be referred for state and/or federal prosecution to the fullest extent permitted by law. Harassment not only includes in-person contact, but also contact via the internet, social media, and telephone.” Social media includes, but is not limited to, Facebook, Blogs, YouTube, Twitter, Pinterest, and MySpace. Harassment or interfering includes, but is not limited to, making claims of your involvement in the crime or making claims that hinder the advancement of the investigation.

 

Here is the 2012 Press Releases:

 

despp: Press Releases

 

Here are 2013 Press Releases:

 

despp: Press Releases

 

The caller made 2 calls and was first referred to the press releases for 'answers'. There really were no specific answers in the press releases but the caller did indicate that they released the weapons list while he was on the phone with Vance. This was the first time this information was posted by CT police in a formal manner - a month and 4 days after the incident.

 

I think the line on the Bushmaster would be viewed as inconsistent or at least lacking additional items if there were well over 100 shots fire from it. Can you see this or would you agree?

 

 

 

 

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine

 

 

Still don't know what to believe on that except I imagine a lot of the data is being compiled for one complete briefing.

Still don't know what to believe on that except I imagine a lot of the data is being compiled for one complete briefing.

 

Well, the 'oddity' here is that they list a "Bushmaster...with [apparently single] high capacity 30 round magazine"

 

Just would have thought they would list the number and capacity of detachable magazines separately. To shoot over a hundred rounds at least 4 30 round magazines would be needed. Reloading a magazine takes a few minutes and would require dragging along an ammo box.

 

Even when something is 'officially' reported it seems to lacks specifics or is sloppy.

 

 

One other oddity reported is that the SSDI - Social Security Death Index - shows Adam Lanza date of death as December 13, 2012. Finger check? Likely, but again you figure who ever entered that date would try to get that specific entry correct. They appear to be a little sloppy in Connecticut.

Here is an coincidence. Not really sinister in nature. But tragically ironic.

 

 

In 1988 Josh Sugarmann started the Violence Policy Center. The popularization of the term 'assault weapon' or 'assault rifle' has been direct attributed to him and his work in 1988.

 

Liberty Belles - The "Assault Weapons" Scam

 

From above link:

 

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." — Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.

 

Before starting the Violence Policy Center Josh Sugarmann was with the National Coalition to Ban Handguns. He is also has a bio at Huffington Post.

 

He may be one the if not the highest profile anti-gun people in the country.

 

 

What is his hometown and where did he grow up through high school - Newtown Connecticut.

 

Josh Sugarmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Josh Sugarmann

 

It seem very tragic irony that he has fought so hard to ban the weapons that have now devastated his own hometown.

I just read every post in this thread....unbelievable. I feel like I just saw a unicorn, I had no idea people who believe these ridiculous conspiracies actually existed. As for me, I will continue to pray for those families that had their young ones taken from them.

 

I hope you theorists enjoy watching "Capricorn One" tonight and mumbling I knew it incoherently.

Snopes has some information here for you conspiracy theorists.

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

Snopes has some information here for you conspiracy theorists.

 

snopes.com: Sandy Hook Hoax Video

 

Of course everyone knows that snopes is in on it.

Snopes has some information here for you conspiracy theorists.

 

snopes.com: Sandy Hook Hoax Video

 

Most of this stuff is common sense. The fact that people believe this is a hoax is mind boggling.

 

Most of this stuff is common sense. The fact that people believe this is a hoax is mind boggling.

 

Yeah, it is.