Some good men get fired because they won't bend to parental pressures that would compromise the integrity of a program.

 

(Non Independent) Public schools are transfer departure points, not arrival points. Exception being actual relocations.

 

I think that bold line is something to dig in to, and will give insight into most of your concerns. First, is that true? People who have played Scott County in basketball over the past 10 years or so might have a different opinion. The QB at Ryle probably would disagree. The students in Kenton County who chose another Kenton County high school different than the district they live in (eg Dixie over Scott) would disagree. Why is it that a student would leave a non independent public school and/or choose to attend a different high school? There are many very legitimate reasons, but those legitimate reasons are all because of self interest. That doesn't make them bad IMO. In fact, nearly all the reasons why people change schools are good legitimate reasons.

 

I do think the large public schools have an inherent disadvantage that works against them. The size of the school works against them and the fact that they are public and required to serve all students can become a deterrent to the school environment. There are real challenges in the large public school on many levels that lead families to choose a different path. That is just the way it is. On the other hand, I do think the large public schools have some resources and capabilities over other schools. They need to work hard to sell those advantages.

 

Think of it this way. If high schools were like any other business, what is your school doing to add more students? What does your school have to sell as reasons for kids to want to be part of the school? Students today entering high school today know there are other options if they want to pursue them. It is on every school to be the best they can be and make students want to be part of the school. And even with that, some families are just going to decide another school is better for them. No one wins them all. Move on to the next one.

I think that bold line is something to dig in to, and will give insight into most of your concerns. First, is that true? People who have played Scott County in basketball over the past 10 years or so might have a different opinion. The QB at Ryle probably would disagree. The students in Kenton County who chose another Kenton County high school different than the district they live in (eg Dixie over Scott) would disagree. Why is it that a student would leave a non independent public school and/or choose to attend a different high school? There are many very legitimate reasons, but those legitimate reasons are all because of self interest. That doesn't make them bad IMO. In fact, nearly all the reasons why people change schools are good legitimate reasons.

 

I do think the large public schools have an inherent disadvantage that works against them. The size of the school works against them and the fact that they are public and required to serve all students can become a deterrent to the school environment. There are real challenges in the large public school on many levels that lead families to choose a different path. That is just the way it is. On the other hand, I do think the large public schools have some resources and capabilities over other schools. They need to work hard to sell those advantages.

 

Think of it this way. If high schools were like any other business, what is your school doing to add more students? What does your school have to sell as reasons for kids to want to be part of the school? Students today entering high school today know there are other options if they want to pursue them. It is on every school to be the best they can be and make students want to be part of the school. And even with that, some families are just going to decide another school is better for them. No one wins them all. Move on to the next one.

 

Nathan Davis is a statistical outlier. I also understand his dad came along with package as an addition to the coaching staff. Sure you want to go there?

 

I callenge you to name 5 significant (non relocation) transfers to non-indepedent public schools in NKy in the last 2 years.

Nathan Davis is a statistical outlier. I also understand his dad came along with package as an addition to the coaching staff. Sure you want to go there?

 

I callenge you to name 5 significant (non relocation) transfers to non-indepedent public schools in NKy in the last 2 years.

 

 

Why is that?

You have made a couple references to independent schools somehow being different from other public schools. I am unclear about how they are different. Aren't they all public schools?

Nathan Davis is a statistical outlier. I also understand his dad came along with package as an addition to the coaching staff. Sure you want to go there?

 

I callenge you to name 5 significant (non relocation) transfers to non-indepedent public schools in NKy in the last 2 years.

 

Would need to exclude the BC schools since a non relocation transfer would not be accepted.

Why is that?

 

I misinderstood you. See the discussion on community previously. The quality of the education experiance has more to do with the motivation and discipline of the learner than anything else.

Every school "loses" players each year. Highlands "lost" two freshmen this year to other schools. It happens to everybody. Don't take it personally.

 

I never understood how you lose freshman when they have not been in the high school to begin with. In Fort Thomas, the middle school is a separate entity from the high school and there is no middle school team to speak of. The FTJFL is a community league that is run by people who volunteer their time as board members, coaches and/or game officials. I know that since I have been involved with the league their were kids that ultimately attended Beechwood, CovCath, Campbell County, NewCath as well as Highlands. Having coached in the league, I can tell you that there is absolutely no thought given to where a kid will ultimately go to high school determining his playing time because every kid in the league is guaranteed to play at least one quarter. Did I feel loyal to the Highlands program because my son played in the league and I coached in the league? The answer would be no, but I chose many years ago upon getting married that my kids were going to grow up in the Fort Thomas School System because of the successes it has had from the time I was in kindergarten at Johnson School.

You have made a couple references to independent schools somehow being different from other public schools. I am unclear about how they are different. Aren't they all public schools?

 

 

Some independent schools contract out to the public school districts the education of behavioral and developmentally kids. I know of one district in NKy where this happens for sure and I don't specifically know about Highlands or Beechwood.

 

This has multiple effects. First it can knock off the bottom one percent of standardized test scores that make the overall average look a lot higher. Second, it reduces the number of males enrolled in the school that counts towards KHSAA classification placment.

 

Public schools have to educate all comers. Private schools get to choose their students and independents can choose to contract the education of those students that would be harmfull to their agenda.

Curious if you are including open enroll kids in your thoughts? SK and Dixie have pilfered Scott over the years. Or does that harm your argument?

SK Charges their feeder kids to get into games.

 

When did this start? The kids use to be free as long as they wore their jersey.

Curious if you are including open enroll kids in your thoughts? SK and Dixie have pilfered Scott over the years. Or does that harm your argument?

 

Open enrollment was intended to allow students to attend schools that better met their interests and strengths. The focus was on academics, not athletics. Scott never really made a real commitment to football. When they got upgraded facilities, the named the stadium as a "SOCCER COMPLEX". If you want to swim though, Scott is the place to be.

When did this start? The kids use to be free as long as they wore their jersey.

 

The last 2-3 years...the only night they get in free is the South Kenton "night"...

Open enrollment was intended to allow students to attend schools that better met their interests and strengths. The focus was on academics, not athletics. Scott never really made a real commitment to football. When they got upgraded facilities, the named the stadium as a "SOCCER COMPLEX". If you want to swim though, Scott is the place to be.

 

So, you are saying athletics is the real reason SK has pilfered students from Scott. So why no outrage about that?

So far on this thread and the previous thread I have heard that :

 

1) The South Kenton Lions are acknowleged during a home varsity game;

2) The Head Varsity coach speaks to players and parents at the annual banquet;

3) The head varsity coach provides coaching support for South Kenton youth coaches;

4) Simon Kenton has provided facilities for games and practices free of charge, although this may not continue due to board policies out of the control of the head varsity coach.

5) I just heard back from the man who supervises the admission gate, and youth players are charged. I will advocate to get this policy changed.

 

Given that during football season a head varsity coach's day , at a minimum, starts at 6 am and if he is real lucky, is done by 7pm, what more do you think he or the varsity program in general needs to contribute to the youth program? And what is reasonable?

 

I come from a program where there was no youth program and no engagement from the head coach until a kid was a Junior. So I am at a real loss to comprehend the dissatisfaction here.

So far on this thread and the previous thread I have heard that :

 

1) The South Kenton Lions are acknowleged during a home varsity game;

2) The Head Varsity coach speaks to players and parents at the annual banquet;

3) The head varsity coach provides coaching support for South Kenton youth coaches;

4) Simon Kenton has provided facilities for games and practices free of charge, although this may not continue due to board policies out of the control of the head varsity coach.

5) I just heard back from the man who supervises the admission gate, and youth players are charged. I will advocate to get this policy changed.

 

Given that during football season a head varsity coach's day , at a minimum, starts at 6 am and if he is real lucky, is done by 7pm, what more do you think he or the varsity program in general needs to contribute to the youth program? And what is reasonable?

 

I come from a program where there was no youth program and no engagement from the head coach until a kid was a Junior. So I am at a real loss to comprehend the dissatisfaction here.

 

I don't think varsity programs need to contribute a thing to the youth programs - youth programs, as in the NKYFL - that use their fields. They allow them to use their facilities (for a fee, I would assume). If they want to let kids in jerseys into the varsity games for free, that's sure nice, but not necessary. As for their feeder programs, like Colonel Youth Football, then I would say it's certainly in their best interest for the varsity/jv/freshman coaches to pass on as much information to the feeder coaches and to assist in as much design of sets and schemes as possible. It would certainly be helpful to have progress meetings involving teams and players as well. I would assume that at least the 8th graders would be kept under at least somewhat of a watchful eye by the high school coaches as well. It's a lot to do, but so is running a perennially strong program.

 

Also, link to the previous thread please? Anyone?