The high school coaches coach the youth or they just attend?

 

High school coaches coach the feeder system coaches, not the kids directly.

The high school coaches coach the youth or they just attend?

 

The high schools teach the coaches watered down versions of offensive sets and defensive schemes used in the varsity program. Everything is designed to prepare a kid for playing ball in that particular program.

They owe the feeder program nothing beyond their best effort while participating. In fact, many kids today select the "feeder program" they participate in out of self interest. This "self interest" issue doesn't start with choosing a high school. Kids and their parents choose AAU, select teams, etc. starting at young ages today. There are kids that participate in the Ft. Thomas Youth Football league knowing they will not attend Highlands. They choose that league because they like the way it is run. They don't owe Highlands anything. If a kid from St. Pius plays on the CCH 8th grade team and then decides that Holy Cross is a better fit for him, should CCH be upset? Disappointed perhaps but you can't fault a kid and his parents for doing what they think is best for them.

 

In addition, just because the feeder program is good and you learned a lot doesn't mean the high school program is the right place. There are different coaches, a different school and other factors that come into play. There is no obligation to go to a particular high school just because you went to their feeder school.

 

High school is a very brief and crucial time for young men and women. There is so much development that happens and sometimes a school just isn't the right fit. If that is true, there is absolutely no reason - including "loyalty" - that says that child should continue to attend that school.

 

Very well stated VOR.

If as posted above in many post we are assuming support form the High School to the feeder schools to be the following:

1. Support from the High School Staff (both to players and coaches)

2. Use of facilities and equipment when needed

3. Financials support

4. overall showing of support for the program

 

Then using Simon Kenton and Dixie are very very bad examples. Neither school does much of anything to help their feeder programs.

 

Turkeyfoot/Summit View/Dixie: Turkeyfoot (not having a field of their own) has to pay the going rate to use Dixie as a host site for its games, which with officials cost eats up most of the gate on those days, and I believe they have to split the concessions with the Dixie Boosters that run it for the High School (unsure of the current split.) Dixie has had nothing to do with Summit Views program at all, even when over half of the kids back a few years went to Dixie.

 

Twenhofel/South Kenton/Summit View/Simon Kenton: I have been told that South Kenton gets little to no help from Simon Kenton in any way, They have to pay to use the SK facility on their host days. Twenhofel, has gotten some support in the past but very little. Summit View, was not allowed to use SK's field back when they first started their program and had to create one in the back of their school. Coaching support from SK at all 3 feeders has been almost non existent. In fact on 2 occasions an SK Coach asked to come down and talk to the team at practice, great idea, problem was the teams season was already over :ohbrother:. In fact Summit View, has had more help and support from Scott High School than anyone. Back when Casey Fisk was HC at Scott, he and his staff would show up at practices all the time, invite the kids up their games for free (SK Charges their feeder kids to get into games currently) allowed use of Scott's field anytime they needed it, Scott was a great asset for a program just getting started, and yet Scott only got about 20% of the kids that went to Summit View.

 

With that said, to answer the OP, no one owes anyone anything.

Because I know this thread is an off-shoot from a previous thread, I’m going to throw my two cents in here as it relates to South Kenton Youth Football and Simon Kenton High School football. To say that South Kenton is feeder program into Simon Kenton is kind of misleading. While the majority of players coming out of South Kenton to go on to play at Simon Kenton, some do go on to play at Scott and maybe one or two at Dixie. And yes, now even to other schools such as Beechwood, Holy Cross, etc. In the past, Simon Kenton has supported South Kenton by using their facilities, but even that has been regulated by the Kenton County School Board’s decision to charge fees to use them (which is another whole other topic). I do think South Kenton tries to incorporate some of Simon Kenton’s philosophies into their program. However, the coaches and staff at South Kenton run their own game plans and do so with the knowledge of the talent they have.

 

Simon Kenton does not give any type of monetary support to South Kenton. And while the high school coach in question does speak at the annual banquet, he doesn’t come to the practices on regular basis to scope out the kids. He’s never had a parent meeting with the South Kenton parents to let them know what Simon Kenton can “offer” a student athlete. So, I can’t see where South Kenton is a feeder program.

 

At the end of the day, I would hope that youth football programs would be used to teach the fundamentals of the game and once they get to high school, the coaches at that level will develop them into the players needed to make that program successful. That’s where the commitment lies with the feeder programs…because at the end of the day, there are just too many what-ifs involved between feeder program and high school program. And if the player’s good, he’s going to play no matter where he started.

Because I know this thread is an off-shoot from a previous thread, I’m going to throw my two cents in here as it relates to South Kenton Youth Football and Simon Kenton High School football. To say that South Kenton is feeder program into Simon Kenton is kind of misleading. While the majority of players coming out of South Kenton to go on to play at Simon Kenton, some do go on to play at Scott and maybe one or two at Dixie. And yes, now even to other schools such as Beechwood, Holy Cross, etc. In the past, Simon Kenton has supported South Kenton by using their facilities, but even that has been regulated by the Kenton County School Board’s decision to charge fees to use them (which is another whole other topic). I do think South Kenton tries to incorporate some of Simon Kenton’s philosophies into their program. However, the coaches and staff at South Kenton run their own game plans and do so with the knowledge of the talent they have.

 

Simon Kenton does not give any type of monetary support to South Kenton. And while the high school coach in question does speak at the annual banquet, he doesn’t come to the practices on regular basis to scope out the kids. He’s never had a parent meeting with the South Kenton parents to let them know what Simon Kenton can “offer” a student athlete. So, I can’t see where South Kenton is a feeder program.

 

At the end of the day, I would hope that youth football programs would be used to teach the fundamentals of the game and once they get to high school, the coaches at that level will develop them into the players needed to make that program successful. That’s where the commitment lies with the feeder programs…because at the end of the day, there are just too many what-ifs involved between feeder program and high school program. And if the player’s good, he’s going to play no matter where he started.

 

So do the head coaches at Beechwood and Cov Cath attend practices for their respective feeder teams and speak to their parents about the merits of their programs? Do they provide financial support for their feeder programs? I'm sure head football coaches have plenty of time to do these things during football season.

 

I have been in a high school program where the head coach was completely disengaged from a youth program, even when his own son was playing in it. I know what that is like and that is not what I'm experiencing now.

 

I also sense a lack of community here. What happened to kids representing the communities that raised them? Are modern parents turning their kids into athletic mercenaries? What exactly do you think you are teaching?

So do the head coaches at Beechwood and Cov Cath attend practices for their respective feeder teams and speak to their parents about the merits of their programs? Do they provide financial support for their feeder programs? I'm sure head football coaches have plenty of time to do these things during football season.

 

I have been in a high school program where the head coach was completely disengaged from a youth program, even when his own son was playing in it. I know what that is like and that is not what I'm experiencing now.

 

I also sense a lack of community here. What happened to kids representing the communities that raised them? Are modern parents turning their kids into athletic mercenaries? What exactly do you think you are teaching?

 

We live in a much more narcissistic society today. Everyone is out for themselves and really don't have the sense of community any longer. It's all about win at any cost and get that exposure for the scholly. The things I have witnessed parents do over the past 10 years just makes me shake my head. Loyalty is a lost word. Good luck to those chasing the dream and thinking the grass is greener. Hope it all works out for them.

So do the head coaches at Beechwood and Cov Cath attend practices for their respective feeder teams and speak to their parents about the merits of their programs? Do they provide financial support for their feeder programs? I'm sure head football coaches have plenty of time to do these things during football season.

 

I have been in a high school program where the head coach was completely disengaged from a youth program, even when his own son was playing in it. I know what that is like and that is not what I'm experiencing now.

 

I also sense a lack of community here. What happened to kids representing the communities that raised them? Are modern parents turning their kids into athletic mercenaries? What exactly do you think you are teaching?

 

I can't speak for Beechwood, but I do know that, YES, Covington Catholic High School DOES provide some financial support for the Cov Cath middle school football teams. Coach Wirth and a few of the other varsity/junior varsity/freshman coaches so also make it a point to show up at some of the practices and games. They also receive input back from the middle school league coaches.

 

As for the "respect for community" comment...yeah, a sense of community would be nice. I mean that. It doesn't exist though. That went away with mom and pop stores and local diners. I don't have a problem with any kid going to any high school...all it means to me is some kids have to wake up earlier in the morning to have their parents drive them to school. Besides, what about kids who move around in their childhood...are they expected to take up some sense of pride in the city their parents moved them to 18 months earlier?

The reverse of this question is interesting. If there are 2 kids on your team that play running back in the Ft. Thomas Jr. Football league, 1 is going to NCC and one is going to Highlands. Essentially the FTJFL is a feeder for Highlands. The NCC kid is a better player. Should the coach play the kid that is going to Highlands, or the kid that is going to NCC? Does the league owe it to the kid to let him play, or does the league owe it to Highlands to develop the player that is going to Highlands?

 

Fort Thomas Jr. Football league is about developing football players reguardless where they play football. That is the beauty of the league . It isn't about winning little league games or winning little league championships, it's about developing football players. . This is also a major contributor to the success of the Highlands varsity program. Hence, why the Highlands coaches are completely on board with the Ft. Thomas Jr. Football league. It is also why you are starting to see schools like Cov. Cath. and Campbell county develop their own little league.

 

Fort Thomas has created a great little football feeder program that has been successful for the past 50 plus years. It is great that other areas see that and create their own programs. It only makes for better football in Northern Kentucky.

Every school "loses" players each year. Highlands "lost" two freshmen this year to other schools. It happens to everybody. Don't take it personally.

Every school "loses" players each year. Highlands "lost" two freshmen this year to other schools. It happens to everybody. Don't take it personally.

 

Were they the sons of the freshman football coach?

No one in the equation has any room to complain. Schools take the transfers, they lose the transfers. The coaches are not going to give someone who came up in their feeder program preference over someone who transfers in if that transfer is a better player. The schools play the best players available. The families pick the school they think is the best for their circumstances. Some good men are fired because their team doesn't win. Some good men leave programs to coach elsewhere if they think it is a better opportunity for their family. It is what it is.

No one in the equation has any room to complain. Schools take the transfers, they lose the transfers. The coaches are not going to give someone who came up in their feeder program preference over someone who transfers in if that transfer is a better player. The schools play the best players available. The families pick the school they think is the best for their circumstances. Some good men are fired because their team doesn't win. Some good men leave programs to coach elsewhere if they think it is a better opportunity for their family. It is what it is.

 

Some good men get fired because they won't bend to parental pressures that would compromise the integrity of a program.

 

(Non Independent) Public schools are transfer departure points, not arrival points. Exception being actual relocations.

The school should be glad they get that player. My son is 5 and already running wide receiver routes getting ready for his first year of football. Far as high schools it is suppose to be all about the students.

 

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Some good men get fired because they won't bend to parental pressures that would compromise the integrity of a program.

 

(Non Independent) Public schools are transfer departure points, not arrival points. Exception being actual relocations.

 

There have been posts pointing out the two way nature of the beast. If a school is decimated (doesn't sound like they are) by departures I'd say they need to do some looking into the mirror.

 

The point still remains that there is little loyalty from any direction so why focus on one aspect?