Sounds like someone is lying and I'm guess it wasn't McQueary.

 

McQueary has nothing to lose by telling the truth. He's an unknown. Joe Pa and PSU have 40+ years of a prestigious reputation to soil....My money is on McQueary being the honest one.

Sounds like someone is lying and I'm guess it wasn't McQueary.

 

10 year old boy + grown man + showers = Bad

 

 

Pretty sure Paterno knew at least that much.

Read the grand jury transcripts. Joe Pa claims he wasn't told about a rape, makes it sound more like fondling was suggested to him. McQueary says he told Joe Pa that the boy was being raped.

 

My stance is and has been if he was told of fondling and allowed this guy to use the facilities after 02 that alone is a good enough reason to fire him. That the AD or President (I'm not sure which one it was) admitted to also knowing of the 98 incident and they still allowed the guy on campus is enough for him to lose his job. If and it's a big if, it is later proven that Joe Pa and the AD or Pres knew more we have much larger issues. From the sound of things the current DA believes McQueary more than the AD and Pres.

^Oh, so does Joe Pa think fondling a 10 year old boy is appropriate behavior? I mean, I know he's old and pretty senile, but the guy is a disgusting human being for not reporting it to the authorities.

 

Bingo. Plus Paterno thought enough of McQueary through the years that he kept him around and promoted him more than once. The things that we don't know as fact, but seem pretty believable are backing Joe Pa, the AD and the Pres into a corner they will find hard to get out of.

I've read and re-read several articles about this situation and a few things strike me:

 

1) Paterno is bearing the brunt here, and at this point, I feel unfairly so.

2) Apparently not only did the GA not do anything at the time, but reported to his father, who did nothing more than tell the GA to report it to "someone".

3) I still feel, from all the accounts I've been able to find, that Paterno did NOT try to cover up anything and that he did what he thought was correct in the situation.

4) This situation FAR exceeds Joe Paterno. It happens frequently, it seems, but how does this go on for decades and nothing is done? The number of times it was RIGHT THERE to be dealt with?

 

I disagaree 100% on every point. Joe runs that athletic program, everyone answers to him. While he could not stop or prevent the original CRIME, he could've prevented any subsequent crimes against other innocent children. He put the school, and his program ahead of all other interests. He was complicit in the cover up by his intentional passive actions. Not only was this not reported to the police, but Sandusky still had access with other victims on the campus until 2 years ago. This is the most dispicable cover up in sports history. Joe was still there, the GA has been promoted, the AD was still there; and the school has profited by several hundred million dollars as a result of this cover up. I think when this is all-told,

it was common knowledge amongst coaches, and other school officials. Joe did not even do the bare minimum.

 

A bishop in Kansas City was recently indicted. He was charged for not reporting a priest that was viewing child porn on his computer for 5 months after he found out about it. While similar, Joe's crime far exceeds that of the bishops in severity and

duration. Joe has his fingerprints all over this crime scene. I think all parties should be indicted and let the truth be told.

I disagaree 100% on every point. Joe runs that athletic program, everyone answers to him. While he could not stop or prevent the original CRIME, he could've prevented any subsequent crimes against other innocent children. He put the school, and his program ahead of all other interests. He was complicit in the cover up by his intentional passive actions. Not only was this not reported to the police, but Sandusky still had access with other victims on the campus until 2 years ago. This is the most dispicable cover up in sports history. Joe was still there, the GA has been promoted, the AD was still there; and the school has profited by several hundred million dollars as a result of this cover up. I think when this is all-told,

it was common knowledge amongst coaches, and other school officials. Joe did not even do the bare minimum.

 

A bishop in Kansas City was recently indicted. He was charged for not reporting a priest that was viewing child porn on his computer for 5 months after he found out about it. While similar, Joe's crime far exceeds that of the bishops in severity and

duration. Joe has his fingerprints all over this crime scene. I think all parties should be indicted and let the truth be told.

 

In regards to the priest, different states have different reporting requirements. The thread on this yesterday actually brought that up and someone posted a list of different state's requirements as far as who is required to report and when they are required to.

Michael Weinreb tries to make sense of Wednesday night.

 

Last night, I watched the news until 1:30 in the morning, and I cried a little, and then I went to bed. I woke up this morning and my hometown was quiet again. On the front page of my old college newspaper, a senior marketing major named Andrew Hanselman said this: "Being accepted to Penn State felt like a family, and Joe Paterno was the father."

 

Well, we're on our own now, Andrew. It's time to grow up.

Crazy story. Lots of intrigue (potentially).

 

I'm with Hearsay. I prefer to wait and see what unfolds.

The rumors continue to build, that Sandusky used the Second Mile to "pimp" young boys out to rich donors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/penn-state-scandal-rumors-sandusky-pimping_n_1086099.html

The rumors continue to build, that Sandusky used the Second Mile to "pimp" young boys out to rich donors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/penn-state-scandal-rumors-sandusky-pimping_n_1086099.html

 

As sad and even more disgusting to think about, I'm not surprised at this. Sandusky is already in a deep hole as it is; if these rumors are true, his hole has gotten a lot deeper. If true, regardless of who the wealthy men and the columnists were, this is going to have a very bad trickle down effect. From what I, as well as many others have been thinking, hearing, and posting, we have not seen anything near the end of this.

Has anyone ever seen a thread on here fly through 6 pages in less than a day?

I feel sorry for just about everybody except Sandusky. But cleaning house was what had to be done. I am going to have to TiVo the Penn St game this weekend - that broadcast should be something else.

^ I've seen a couple UK threads get out of control real quick. :lol:

I am sure that countless people have been giving their thoughts on the air through several broadcast mediums; however, I have been watching and listening mostly on ESPN. I was really glad to hear what Mark May said earlier; it almost seems like while most others felt bad about the situation, while feeling that something had to be done, many of them felt bad for the people at Penn State. May didn't display any kind of sympathy for anyone involved and responded in a no apologies approach to what should be done to everyone, which I was glad to see. I don't agree with many things that Mark May says, but he was spot on with what he had to say about Penn State football. The points that he made about how Penn State's future could be impacted were very good too.

I am sure that countless people have been giving their thoughts on the air through several broadcast mediums; however, I have been watching and listening mostly on ESPN. I was really glad to hear what Mark May said earlier; it almost seems like while most others felt bad about the situation, while feeling that something had to be done, many of them felt bad for the people at Penn State. May didn't display any kind of sympathy for anyone involved and responded in a no apologies approach to what should be done to everyone, which I was glad to see. I don't agree with many things that Mark May says, but he was spot on with what he had to say about Penn State football. The points that he made about how Penn State's future could be impacted were very good too.

 

It was good but I couldn't help wonder if any of it was fueled by his playing at Pitt. Kind of like letting a U of L player rail on about UK infractions.

I will say this. If Sandusky truly pimped young boys out to rich donors, I'm in favor of putting him in a white room with nothing but a rope hanging from the ceiling. Be a man and do the right thing, for once.