The most obvious advantage was stated earlier. Trinity does not have to adhere to Title IX regulations. The can spend their funds however they choose. Highlands must adhere to Federal Law.

 

That's only because they do not have girls. KY private high schools that have girls must abide by the same Title IX regs as private schools.

The most obvious advantage was stated earlier. Trinity does not have to adhere to Title IX regulations. The can spend their funds however they choose. Highlands must adhere to Federal Law.

 

I agree that is an advantage.

Clyde you help me understand, how can a kid from Dayton on go to Highlands for FREE and a kid that lives on Newman in FT has to go to Campbell Co.

 

Sounds like that's a question for the school boards from Dayton, FT and CC. It gets pretty convoluted. We had good family friends who built a new house a couple blocks from their old one and had to start paying tuition to attend Highlands. Doesn't make sense.

What about out of state players? Can/does Highlands take players that live in Cincinnati? I would think it would be an advantage to go to say, Indiana, and get some of the best players in that area. Guru do you really think that other public schools in the state, save Highlands, just haven't "figured it out"? Of the 24 publics on that list how many of them are not near the top of their state in male enrollment? An even better question, how many are schools that have been playing football for less than 30-40 years? An often discounted advantage that no school in the state can "figure out" is tradition and length of existence. It is no coincidence that the two schools in this thread have been playing football much longer than most schools in the state. Lots of proud alumni that donate and want their kids to go to school there.

 

The average enrollment was about 2200 students. I don't know what percentage boys typically make up, so I'll just assume half and half. That would put them at about 1100 boys on average. The question then is why can't some of the public schools with size be more competitive? I don't know how current the numbers are, but I looked up some figures for KY's public schools and their enrollment...I'd say its safe to assume these numbers are representative of how things are now.

 

School - Total Enrollment - No. of Boys

 

Dunbar - 2209 - 1160

Henderson Co. - 2186 - 1074

Henry Clay - 2094 - 1066

Lafayette - 2003 - 992

PRP - 1939 - 908

Eastern - 1895 - 1002

DuPont Manual - 1890 - 833

Daviess Co. - 1728 - 905

Seneca - 1694 - 826

Ballard - 1689 - 824

Male - 1680 - 745

 

Highlands - 807 - 395

 

Trinity - 1369

St. Xavier - 1431

 

 

Size is their advantage. That is accepted. But, why is it that a school with roughly one quarter of the male population (Highlands) is significantly more competitive than other schools that are much closer to T and X as far as numbers go?

The average enrollment was about 2200 students. I don't know what percentage boys typically make up, so I'll just assume half and half. That would put them at about 1100 boys on average. The question then is why can't some of the public schools with size be more competitive? I don't know how current the numbers are, but I looked up some figures for KY's public schools and their enrollment...I'd say its safe to assume these numbers are representative of how things are now.

 

School - Total Enrollment - No. of Boys

 

Dunbar - 2209 - 1160

Henderson Co. - 2186 - 1074

Henry Clay - 2094 - 1066

Lafayette - 2003 - 992

PRP - 1939 - 908

Eastern - 1895 - 1002

DuPont Manual - 1890 - 833

Daviess Co. - 1728 - 905

Seneca - 1694 - 826

Ballard - 1689 - 824

Male - 1680 - 745

 

Highlands - 807 - 395

 

Trinity - 1369

St. Xavier - 1431

 

 

Size is their advantage. That is accepted. But, why is it that a school with roughly one quarter of the male population (Highlands) is significantly more competitive than other schools that are much closer to T and X as far as numbers go?

I would say the biggest factor is overall talent. How many D1 scholarship player's has Highlands had in the last 10 years? I can only speak for Henderson but in the last 10 years I can name 1 that went to a BCS school (Fidler) and two that had the opportunity but couldn't qualify. Most of that is Henderson's fault for not doing a better job of getting the best talent available on the field. No real excuse for having over 1000 boys and only dressing 40 players (soph-seniors). However even with 1000+ boys in the school that is all Henderson has to choose from. How many kids is Highlands pulling from? Better yet Trinity?

And just my two cents football wise. Trinity has dominated 6A and is no doubt the best team in the state year in year out. But there are other teams in the state they have never played like Highlands and Boyle off the top of my mind who would not get a running clock put on them every year. In my opinion when Highlands and Boyle are at their top they would play Trinity pretty close but most likely lose in a two touchdown game. I think of Trinity as more head and shoulders over everyone in 6A but there are some other teams who they would not roll over every year. For example I think Bowling Green has done a very nice job playing with Trinity.

Highlands has had a few players from ohio, They have had players from all over the NK area, and they have transfer come in and do not have to sit a year. There Schools are in great shape they keep rebuilding the Schools they have. You are right on one thing they don't have the same fields for the girls, and there are some areas of FT that people live in that have to go to Campbell Co. So They go to Campbell Co and out of city kids come in whats that ?

 

Specifics please. This has been "run to ground" repeatedly and the 2-5% seems to be a consensus for non-Fort Thomas players.

 

The Kentucky facilities ranking folks would disagree that FT schools are "in great shape." 1 elementary is / will be brand new. 1 elementary has trailers and I believe was ranked "4" on a scale of 1 to 5 where "5" is the worst. The other elementary was ranked "4" and is likely trending toward "5." The Middle School is fine. 1/2 of the High School is new and the other 1/2 (including the athletic facilities) is "4" at best.

 

The City of Ft. Thomas and the Fort Thomas Indep. Schools do not share the same geographic boundaries. I suspect FTIS would gladly take any of the portions of the City of Ft. Thomas they could. However, Campbell Co. will not give those $ up. Instead, they will send a bus to pick up those kids if they choose to attend Campbell Co. Schools. If not, they keep their $ and don't have to provide services. Pretty good deal for Campbell Co.

Clyde you help me understand, how can a kid from Dayton on go to Highlands for FREE and a kid that lives on Newman in FT has to go to Campbell Co.

 

Not true. See earlier post regarding the "kid that lives on Newman" or anywhere else in the City of FT not being in FTIS district.

 

With respect to "a kid from Dayton" or anywhere else outside of the FTIS district, there are basically 2 levels of tuition. If the district where you reside agrees to give up your "ADA" $ (I think that is what it is called for Average Daily Attendance), you pay a lower tuition (~$2,500 I think) to FTIS and FTIS gets that ADA $. If your home district does not give up your ADA $, you pay a higher tuition (~$5k, I think) to attend FTIS.

 

(Interestingly, if the district does NOT agree to give up the ADA $, they don't get it and neither does FTIS. It just stays in Frankfort.)

And just my two cents football wise. Trinity has dominated 6A and is no doubt the best team in the state year in year out. But there are other teams in the state they have never played like Highlands and Boyle off the top of my mind who would not get a running clock put on them every year. In my opinion when Highlands and Boyle are at their top they would play Trinity pretty close but most likely lose in a two touchdown game. I think of Trinity as more head and shoulders over everyone in 6A but there are some other teams who they would not roll over every year. For example I think Bowling Green has done a very nice job playing with Trinity.

 

Pretty sure someone had once posted Trinity and HHS have split two games.

Pretty sure someone had once posted Trinity and HHS have split two games.

This is correct... Trinity and Highlands have played each other twice in games, with the series tied 1-1. The last time they played was in 2000. As most people on here know, THS and HHS played in a scrimmage last year and Trinity won the varsity scrimmage by a TD.

Not true. See earlier post regarding the "kid that lives on Newman" or anywhere else in the City of FT not being in FTIS district.

 

With respect to "a kid from Dayton" or anywhere else outside of the FTIS district, there are basically 2 levels of tuition. If the district where you reside agrees to give up your "ADA" $ (I think that is what it is called for Average Daily Attendance), you pay a lower tuition (~$2,500 I think) to FTIS and FTIS gets that ADA $. If your home district does not give up your ADA $, you pay a higher tuition (~$5k, I think) to attend FTIS.

 

(Interestingly, if the district does NOT agree to give up the ADA $, they don't get it and neither does FTIS. It just stays in Frankfort.)

 

Provide the light and people shall see, comes to mind with the quoted post and jpa's prior post.:thumb:

 

Unless of course they choose to close their eyes.

I would say the biggest factor is overall talent. How many D1 scholarship player's has Highlands had in the last 10 years? I can only speak for Henderson but in the last 10 years I can name 1 that went to a BCS school (Fidler) and two that had the opportunity but couldn't qualify. Most of that is Henderson's fault for not doing a better job of getting the best talent available on the field. No real excuse for having over 1000 boys and only dressing 40 players (soph-seniors). However even with 1000+ boys in the school that is all Henderson has to choose from. How many kids is Highlands pulling from? Better yet Trinity?

 

You're going beyond comparing the sheer numbers each school has, to the number of people in each surrounding area. In other words, the pool in Louisville is roughly 15 times greater than Henderson County. I do agree that that is also an advantage. I don't think Highlands location and the level of their success is just a coincidence. The same people in authority (coaches, etc.) couldn't come close to duplicating the success at HHS at some school of comparable size in Eastern KY.

Clyde you help me understand, how can a kid from Dayton on go to Highlands for FREE and a kid that lives on Newman in FT has to go to Campbell Co.

 

Not true. See earlier post regarding the "kid that lives on Newman" or anywhere else in the City of FT not being in FTIS district.

 

With respect to "a kid from Dayton" or anywhere else outside of the FTIS district, there are basically 2 levels of tuition. If the district where you reside agrees to give up your "ADA" $ (I think that is what it is called for Average Daily Attendance), you pay a lower tuition (~$2,500 I think) to FTIS and FTIS gets that ADA $. If your home district does not give up your ADA $, you pay a higher tuition (~$5k, I think) to attend FTIS.

 

(Interestingly, if the district does NOT agree to give up the ADA $, they don't get it and neither does FTIS. It just stays in Frankfort.)

 

Provide the light and people shall see, comes to mind with the quoted post and jpa's prior post.:thumb:

 

Unless of course they choose to close their eyes.

 

In all fairness to Dennis, I've heard this as well but it is a promotional deal with a subdivision developer with a development near the Ft. Thomas city limits. I've heard that if you purchase a home they are covering the cost of your childs tuition to attend Ft. Thomas schools within the contract. It has nothing to do with a school district policy.

You're going beyond comparing the sheer numbers each school has, to the number of people in each surrounding area. In other words, the pool in Louisville is roughly 15 times greater than Henderson County. I do agree that that is also an advantage. I don't think Highlands location and the level of their success is just a coincidence. The same people in authority (coaches, etc.) couldn't come close to duplicating the success at HHS at some school of comparable size in Eastern KY.

 

Now you've gone and poked the hive. Although I don't think it would be on the exact same level, I think it'd be closer than you may think. Coaching, expectations and motivation build good football programs and for whatever reason Mueller gets alot out of his players.

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In all fairness to Dennis, I've heard this as well but it is a promotional deal with a subdivision developer with a development near the Ft. Thomas city limits. I've heard that if you purchase a home they are covering the cost of your childs tuition to attend Ft. Thomas schools within the contract. It has nothing to do with a school district policy.

 

More light and thank you. So in the instance you are referring to, a kid from outside the Ft. Thomas district being able to attend Highlands for free has nothing; absolutely nothing to do with any overt or subtle attempt by the school district to attract athletes from Dayton. It has everything to do with a developer wanting to sell homes/lots and recognizing that purchasers being able to enroll their kids in the Ft. Thomas school system will help sell homes/lots. Smart marketing by the developer.