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No dog in this fight. But that is an idiotic statement. Of course, everyone gets to choose what is important to them. You may not have the means to fufill it monetarily, but basically that tells me you are defeated before any competition starts (athletically or otherwise).

 

You misread sir. We don't get to choose whether or not to take special education students, whether or not to fund those programs, whether or not to spend 50 years not doing so. It is a national directive that public education must follow. Just think of how nice the classrooms could be in public schools if we had spent 20 million, per school, funding them over the last 50 years rather than taking care of special needs students.

 

The public school cannot cut special education, or reduce it, as private schools have and do. Instead those cuts come from athletics, coaches, classroom improvments, and educational faculty. All things he mentioned T was able to add. We simply aren't given that option.

In all fairness to Dennis, I've heard this as well but it is a promotional deal with a subdivision developer with a development near the Ft. Thomas city limits. I've heard that if you purchase a home they are covering the cost of your childs tuition to attend Ft. Thomas schools within the contract. It has nothing to do with a school district policy.

 

Over the course of a few years that could add up to a decent chunk of change.

You misread sir. We don't get to choose whether or not to take special education students, whether or not to fund those programs, whether or not to spend 50 years not doing so. It is a national directive that public education must follow. Just think of how nice the classrooms could be in public schools if we had spent 20 million, per school, funding them over the last 50 years rather than taking care of special needs students.

 

The public school cannot cut special education, or reduce it, as private schools have and do. Instead those cuts come from athletics, coaches, classroom improvments, and educational faculty. All things he mentioned T was able to add. We simply aren't given that option.

 

Yes and you CHOSE to teach/coach in that environment for higher pay and benefits than your counterpart that CHOSE to teach/coach in the private environment for less pay and benefits. Tradeoffs that are known and then chosen by people that decide to go on different paths.

So while you were building your football empire over the past 50 years all of these underachiving publics had to cater to these students that you chose not to deal with. That requires money and resources and lots of them. 10 teachers at approx 40,000 a year over a 50 year span. Yeah, I'm sure lots of football programs and for that matter schools in general could find a use for that 20 million.

 

We don't have a choice in whether we deal with national priorities. Truthfully, they are no where near as important as other issues facing schools in communities across KY. But again, we aren't afforded that luxury. Someone has to take these students, and as you stated, No Child Left Behind isn't as important as your commitment to Catholic education. We don't get to choose what is important to us and what isn't.

 

Our football empire? We have been building a school and a community, you act as though the most important thing to Trinity is football.

 

Trinity's mission is "To provide students with a superior high school education in a supportive atmosphere based upon Christian values in the Catholic tradition."

 

I am not seeing football in there as our priority. A brief glance at our website and "building a football empire" is not apparently a priority.

 

You may hear about football more than anything else, especially if you get most of your information about Trinity from a high school sports forum, but there is far more to us than just football. Considering the vast majority of the student body never plays or even goes out for a single down of football should make it abundantly clear that it is not our priority.

 

I am sorry that you seem to resent the fact that your school's mission is to provide an education for the children of your community. The fact of the matter is though that no matter what I say, you will find some reason to demonize Trinity because we have had success in football and only recently began to build programs for special needs students.

Yes and you CHOSE to teach/coach in that environment for higher pay and benefits than your counterpart that CHOSE to teach/coach in the private environment for less pay and benefits. Tradeoffs that are known and then chosen by people that decide to go on different paths.

 

So you are agreeing that having this option to not educate ALL special needs students is an advantage? If you take the difference in this choice, approx 20 million over 50 years, and apply it towards benefits and teachers salaries would the two schools not be pretty close to equal, aside from the fact that one school has to take all special needs students, and one does not?

 

It is an advantage to allocate funds as you see fit and not be forced to meet the needs of the entire population.

Just to note, were we coed we would have to adhere to Title IX. It applies to publics and privates.

 

WOW.

How many middle and elementary schools does Trinity or St. X or NewCath fund?

Our football empire? We have been building a school and a community, you act as though the most important thing to Trinity is football.

 

Trinity's mission is "To provide students with a superior high school education in a supportive atmosphere based upon Christian values in the Catholic tradition."

 

I am not seeing football in there as our priority. A brief glance at our website and "building a football empire" is not apparently a priority.

 

You may hear about football more than anything else, especially if you get most of your information about Trinity from a high school sports forum, but there is far more to us than just football. Considering the vast majority of the student body never plays or even goes out for a single down of football should make it abundantly clear that it is not our priority.

 

I am sorry that you seem to resent the fact that your school's mission is to provide an education for the children of your community. The fact of the matter is though that no matter what I say, you will find some reason to demonize Trinity because we have had success in football and only recently began to build programs for special needs students.

 

I am not in any way trying to demonize Trinity. And I am proud that my school does the best it can to provide for ALL students within the community. I admire the passion and commitment that alumni and students of Trinity display. You will understand then, that it is hard to stomach being labled an underachiever when playing by different values, rules, and regulations. It is a fair label for some, no doubt, but seems to be the rhetoric used to explain away differences.

 

The question was what advantages do private schools have over public schools. I was, however misguided, trying to point out that having control over where funds are allocated is an advantage. Nothing more, nothing less.

So you are agreeing that having this option to not educate ALL special needs students is an advantage? If you take the difference in this choice, approx 20 million over 50 years, and apply it towards benefits and teachers salaries would the two schools not be pretty close to equal, aside from the fact that one school has to take all special needs students, and one does not?

 

It is an advantage to allocate funds as you see fit and not be forced to meet the needs of the entire population.

 

Way off course from the original thread, but most of the private schools do not have the proper resources to tend to the needs of special needs students. If I then were a parent of a special needs child, and I am not, I would choose the environment whereby my child could grow and learn the best.

 

I love helping with Special Olympics in my area, and don't know that this is specifically the type of special needs student you are describing, but honestly these kids area a blast, and I always walk away feeling like I got more out of my time than they did from me.

 

As it relates to Kentucky high school football, I have no idea. The fact is Trinity will win 6A again, and Highalnds will win 4A this year. About 10 other teams will feel like they have a shot at the four other titles. Whoopee...just braggin' rights stuff really. If you are helping with special needs kids at your school, then in my opinion, your work is every bit as valuable, if not moreso, than helping to win a state football title, and I applaud you for it. Sometimes the best coaches and teachers aren't always the ones that garner all the glory, but rather those that make a substantial difference in the lives that they touch.

I am not in any way trying to demonize Trinity. And I am proud that my school does the best it can to provide for ALL students within the community. I admire the passion and commitment that alumni and students of Trinity display. You will understand then, that it is hard to stomach being labled an underachiever when playing by different values, rules, and regulations. It is a fair label for some, no doubt, but seems to be the rhetoric used to explain away differences.

 

The question was what advantages do private schools have over public schools. I was, however misguided, trying to point out that having control over where funds are allocated is an advantage. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

That certainly lowers my blood pressure.

 

I seem to recall much of the vitriol being heaved in the direction of the larger public schools being from non-Trinity supporters. We have, by and large, just popped in to defend our school as well.

 

We do have an edge in particular that we need not deal with the bureaucracy that the public schools do, so we can streamline things dramatically. That is actually a level of educational reform I would be in 100% support of in order to make sure that more of the money made it to the schools and not held back by the filter of departments. That is not pertinent to this discussion though.

How long has Trinity been in the largest class whether it was 6A, 4A or whatever was before that?

That certainly lowers my blood pressure.

 

I seem to recall much of the vitriol being heaved in the direction of the larger public schools being from non-Trinity supporters. We have, by and large, just popped in to defend our school as well.

 

We do have an edge in particular that we need not deal with the bureaucracy that the public schools do, so we can streamline things dramatically. That is actually a level of educational reform I would be in 100% support of in order to make sure that more of the money made it to the schools and not held back by the filter of departments. That is not pertinent to this discussion though.

 

I agree 100% on the educational reform for the record, and you are correct, it was not the Shamrocks that stirred the pot. In fact, most T alums I have met will fully admit that they had advantages, athletically and academically, over their public counterparts. It is part of life, some are given more opportunties than others for whatever reason, but it does not mean that those not afforded those opportunities are underachieving. Simply doing the best , in most cases, with what they have. I actually enjoy your insight and hope you understand that while we admire T and X, many of the public schools are doing the best they can but simply cannot overcome the multiple gaps between the programs due to the fact that we must, however irrationally, depend on those bureaucracies for our funding.

How long has Trinity been in the largest class whether it was 6A, 4A or whatever was before that?

Probably since the playoff system began ... in the early years, all of the Louisville public and Catholic schools were in 3A, the largest class.

Probably since the playoff system began ... in the early years, all of the Louisville public and Catholic schools were in 3A, the largest class.

 

That's what I figured, just wasn't sure.