The rules apply to EVERYONE.....you can be disappointed if the NCAA didn't turn a blind eye towards Kanter like they did towards Newton, or maybe even the mild slap on the wrist of Pryor and Co. BUT, you can't be upset or angry about it. He broke the rules, and is being punished for it. Pretty cut and dry to me. I can see why you had your hopes up, but even the University was hinging its hat on the fact that they let others break rules and still play. Not very solid ground, IMO.

 

I am with you there but if they have turned a blind eye toward others I just don't think it's fair he gets the college bball death penalty when he was more than willing to sit out an entire year and come back next year.

I am with you there but if they have turned a blind eye toward others I just don't think it's fair he gets the college bball death penalty when he was more than willing to sit out an entire year and come back next year.

1 - It's fair if he broke a rule, that he's gone. Maybe it's not fair that others weren't, but that point is moot.

2 - We'll never know if he was willing to come back next year.

Sounds like Washington's president (and NCAA's) stuck his big foot in his mouth. The decision has been made, don't get on national TV and tell an outright lie. The media needs to chew him up good about this.

The rules apply to EVERYONE.....you can be disappointed if the NCAA didn't turn a blind eye towards Kanter like they did towards Newton, or maybe even the mild slap on the wrist of Pryor and Co. BUT, you can't be upset or angry about it. He broke the rules, and is being punished for it. Pretty cut and dry to me. I can see why you had your hopes up, but even the University was hinging its hat on the fact that they let others break rules and still play. Not very solid ground, IMO.

Uh...False.

Their case was laid out from the very start based on "intent". The family did everything they could to try to keep his amateur status. Money used was for educational purposes and that was the crux of the issue with the NCAA.

The second shot was to go with case precedent, which was not allowed, which in itself is arbitrary and capricous...ruling=endgame.

The hitch in the giddyup is that this kid did all he could figuratively to remain an amateur, while we see a slew of others use "ignorance" as an excuse to maintain their eligibility status.

Sounds like Washington's president (and NCAA's) stuck his big foot in his mouth. The decision has been made, don't get on national TV and tell an outright lie. The media needs to chew him up good about this.

 

I am very interested to read what is in Seth Davis's article, because we have quotes from Coach Romar that they continued to recruit the kid.

Uh...False.

Their case was laid out from the very start based on "intent". The family did everything they could to try to keep his amateur status. Money used was for educational purposes and that was the crux of the issue with the NCAA.

The second shot was to go with case precedent, which was not allowed, which in itself is arbitrary and capricous...ruling=endgame.

The hitch in the giddyup is that this kid did all he could figuratively to remain an amateur, while we see a slew of others use "ignorance" as an excuse to maintain their eligibility status.

Do you know this, because of what you have read his father has said? Have you seen evidence? Why did all this start now? Why wasn't anyone up front about it? Something smells, the NCAA feels they made the right call. Most of us disagree with a lot they have to say. I really don't understand the surprise at this point. If I were a KY fan, I'd invest my energy in rooting the eligible players onto the tourney.

I am very interested to read what is in Seth Davis's article, because we have quotes from Coach Romar that they continued to recruit the kid.

 

Sounds like taking Jones cost UK Kanter.

This has the potential to be very ugly for the NCAA. The organization and the prez is getting exposed. What a dumb move to call Seth Davis.

what's going to happen to the NCAA except cost it money (at worst), in the end?

Do you know this, because of what you have read his father has said? Have you seen evidence? Why did all this start now? Why wasn't anyone up front about it? Something smells, the NCAA feels they made the right call. Most of us disagree with a lot they have to say. I really don't understand the surprise at this point. If I were a KY fan, I'd invest my energy in rooting the eligible players onto the tourney.

What's to be up front about? What smells? The ultimate cooker was the fact that both parties agreed to the 33k in expenses. NCAA stuck to their point and UK stuck to the "intent" point. Once they got to the appeals you had the Newton ruling, which UK then asks to enter new information. That second trip was to use case precedent to plead their case. Once that was denied, they were out of options.

Do I have the evidence, but it is simple to put two and two together and follow the timeline.

The whole case is what I find interesting. I agree it is time to move on and pretty much UK said they would not play him through an injunction if it were ever to come about.

I find it ironic that the NCAA has really come under pressure for some of these rulings...I can not ever recall them being so defensive. Now that the prez has entered to foray, and opened up another can of worms...it is good conversation fodder.

what's going to happen to the NCAA except cost it money (at worst), in the end?

 

Sadly nothing will happen to the NCAA but some bad press that will go away in 48 hours. For the guy in charge his credibility and job could be at stake. At the very least he is gonna have a boat load of emails.

The only reason the NCAA is under heat for this is because UK fans are throwing a fit and they will email and gripe at everyone they can when they aren't happy about something. UK fans will talk about Selby and Sidney, but forget John Wall was allowed to repay extra benefits and play last year. They will talk about Bost, but forget about the Randolph Morris email. They will talk about OSU which is really not the same at all because they just sold items that were theirs. And while this as all been said in this thread already, it bears repeating. The NCAA hasn't really been that inconsistent. Kanter just received too much money to just pay it back and move on.

Kanter is gone and Kentucky needs to move on they will survive. JD

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The only reason the NCAA is under heat for this is because UK fans are throwing a fit and they will email and gripe at everyone they can when they aren't happy about something. UK fans will talk about Selby and Sidney, but forget John Wall was allowed to repay extra benefits and play last year. They will talk about Bost, but forget about the Randolph Morris email. They will talk about OSU which is really not the same at all because they just sold items that were theirs. And while this as all been said in this thread already, it bears repeating. The NCAA hasn't really been that inconsistent. Kanter just received too much money to just pay it back and move on.

No kidding. I am glad no person nationally has caught on to this story. Luckily it is just confined to UK fans.

 

What you are not understanding is that no person has neglected any of these cases. They all received punishment and were reinstated. Obviously none of these cases are apples-to-apples, but do not act like UK fans are stupid for questioning the level of severity of this "crime" compared to others. And for the record, I am fine and get the ruling.

Kanter just received too much money to just pay it back and move on.

Again I ask, "too much" for who? $33,000 is a drop in the bucket for the Kanters and they have been offering to pay it back from the beginning. They could write a check for it any time with no problems, so obviously it's not too much money for them.

 

Do you think Selby could afford to pay back his $6,000 or so? No! That is why for "some reason" the NCAA said it was okay for Kansas to somehow come up with extra scholarship money to repay the money, as Selby would not be able to come up with that money, so obviously the $6,000 for Selby was too much!

 

Same for a certain OSU player, I know for a fact that one of them if told to pay back what he got for his rings ect, that he would not be able to come up with the money, so that would be too much for him as well.