Look you are making bad comparisons........................The only comparison that can be made is Enes was considered a "professional" and received money to play. John Wall and Selby did not receive payments for playing.................and neither was considered a professional.........

Again I ask, "too much" for who? $33,000 is a drop in the bucket for the Kanters and they have been offering to pay it back from the beginning. They could write a check for it any time with no problems, so obviously it's not too much money for them.

 

Do you think Selby could afford to pay back his $6,000 or so? No! That is why for "some reason" the NCAA said it was okay for Kansas to somehow come up with extra scholarship money to repay the money, so obviously the $6,000 or so as Selby would not be able to come up with that money, for Selby was too much!

 

Same for a certain OSU player, I know for a fact that one of them if told to pay back what he got for his rings ect, that he would not be able to come up with the money, so that would be too much for him as well.

I really do think it had as much to do with money as much as the fact he was a Professional. Not really getting paid by professional standards, but the NCAA is weird when it comes to being tagged with that title.

 

If it were just about the money, the NCAA really screwed up because they are in effect drawing up how much money athletes can take before they receive the Kanter punishment. We know it is more than $6000, but less than $33,000. Reminds me of a Price-is-Right game.

Look you are making bad comparisons........................The only comparison that can be made is Enes was considered a "professional" and received money to play. John Wall and Selby did not receive payments for playing.................and neither was considered a professional.........

Yeah, a professional at 14 and 15. With how many minutes of PT?

Again it does not matter.......................He was a professional player.............That is it end of story.........i am not bashing Uk for trying to help him become eligible not do I necessarily agree with the decision but he IS NOT in the some boat as the others yo ukeep comparing him to.

The only reason the NCAA is under heat for this is because UK fans are throwing a fit and they will email and gripe at everyone they can when they aren't happy about something. UK fans will talk about Selby and Sidney, but forget John Wall was allowed to repay extra benefits and play last year. They will talk about Bost, but forget about the Randolph Morris email. They will talk about OSU which is really not the same at all because they just sold items that were theirs. And while this as all been said in this thread already, it bears repeating. The NCAA hasn't really been that inconsistent. Kanter just received too much money to just pay it back and move on.

 

In retrospect, I think UK's best defense is what I would call the "intent to amateurize" argument (if amateurize is even a word). In the Dee Bost case (and as you said, Randolph Morris a while back), the letter of the law was not followed; but the NCAA chose to rule based on intent. It's obvious that the NCAA couldn't get past the $33,000 & maybe nothing would take their eyes off of that. What UK should have emphasized (and maybe they did, I don't know) was the amount of money Enes turned down. So the NCAA points to the $33,000 while UK/Kanters point to the $2 million (or whatever the high-dollar contract amount would have been).

 

So to me, I'm not disputing the NCAA's findings nor the contention that many have made that Kanter was paid to play basketball. That's a very clear fact of this case. But at the same time, the NCAA has bent their rules when considering an individual's intent. And based on the facts at hand--many of them presented by the NCAA itself--I can't see how Enes Kanter's intent was to be a professional ball player overseas.

 

What I really feel like the NCAA needs to do is to set a well-defined dollar amount, because I feel like collegiate basketball can improve with the importing of European players who fall under the same category as Enes. If such legislation was already in place, the NCAA could point to that without having to deal with nearly the level of animosity it is now. And understand, it's not just UK fans throwing a fit. Several high-profile media people (such as Vitale & Bilas) have defended Kanter since day one.

I really can't fault the NCAA with the decision.

 

In all honesty, whether it's what is right, or what we (UK fans) want, the NCAA ruled the correct way in this situation. With that said, there needs to be some consistency. If guys like Sidney, Selby, Newton are allowed to play, so should Enes. Personally, to me at least, it should be pretty cut and dry. You get paid, you don't play. None should be allowed to play.

 

A lot of people are on here saying the NCAA can't get anything right, etc., when maybe it's that they finally got one right, it just happens to be the one most wished they wouldn't. :idunno: Just a different perspective on it.

What bothers me the most about this is when they first ruled the NCAA said if the 33 thousand had been paid by the team for education it would have been alright. The Kanters have proof they used the money for education so whats the problem. They didn't use it for a car or anything else. Also maybe someone can explain when a player loses his amatuer status for accepting money what does he become in the eyes of the NCAA?

What bothers me the most about this is when they first ruled the NCAA said if the 33 thousand had been paid by the team for education it would have been alright. The Kanters have proof they used the money for education so whats the problem. They didn't use it for a car or anything else. Also maybe someone can explain when a player loses his amatuer status for accepting money what does he become in the eyes of the NCAA?

 

I'm not sure that's right. How can they have used the money on education and have it in the bank never touched to pay back. There are a lot of stories floating about that 33k and I'm not sure any of us really know the truth about it.

I'm not sure that's right. How can they have used the money on education and have it in the bank never touched to pay back. There are a lot of stories floating about that 33k and I'm not sure any of us really know the truth about it.

 

They were given $33K. $20K of that was used for education expenses, and the remaining $13K is sitting in a bank account never touched.

They were given $33K. $20K of that was used for education expenses, and the remaining $13K is sitting in a bank account never touched.

 

This.

I really can't fault the NCAA with the decision.

 

In all honesty, whether it's what is right, or what we (UK fans) want, the NCAA ruled the correct way in this situation. With that said, there needs to be some consistency. If guys like Sidney, Selby, Newton are allowed to play, so should Enes. Personally, to me at least, it should be pretty cut and dry. You get paid, you don't play. None should be allowed to play.

 

A lot of people are on here saying the NCAA can't get anything right, etc., when maybe it's that they finally got one right, it just happens to be the one most wished they wouldn't. :idunno: Just a different perspective on it.

 

I agree with this somewhat. Nobody would complain a single bit about this ruling, if the NCAA ever actually applied their rules to other athletes. If none of the other guys could play, then don't let Kanter either. Nobody could argue with that.

 

But when you have an unending lines of kids who KNOWINGLY and INTENTIONALLY broke rules getting slapped on the wrist, and then Enes who TRIED to do it right, the rulings don't make sense.

 

They're hiding behind this "well those are the rules!" argument which is great except that they never actually hold anyone to the rules. The selective and unpredictable application of the rules is what has everyone's panties in a wad.

I really can't fault the NCAA with the decision.

 

In all honesty, whether it's what is right, or what we (UK fans) want, the NCAA ruled the correct way in this situation. With that said, there needs to be some consistency. If guys like Sidney, Selby, Newton are allowed to play, so should Enes. Personally, to me at least, it should be pretty cut and dry. You get paid, you don't play. None should be allowed to play.

 

A lot of people are on here saying the NCAA can't get anything right, etc., when maybe it's that they finally got one right, it just happens to be the one most wished they wouldn't. :idunno: Just a different perspective on it.

 

I agree with this somewhat. Nobody would complain a single bit about this ruling, if the NCAA ever actually applied their rules to other athletes. If none of the other guys could play, then don't let Kanter either. Nobody could argue with that.

 

But when you have an unending lines of kids who KNOWINGLY and INTENTIONALLY broke rules getting slapped on the wrist, and then Enes who TRIED to do it right, the rulings don't make sense.

 

They're hiding behind this "well those are the rules!" argument which is great except that they never actually hold anyone to the rules. The selective and unpredictable application of the rules is what has everyone's panties in a wad.

 

Both good post.

Even if he goes on to the Pro's in my opinion next year he needs to hold the NCAA acountable for their double standard!

Go Big Blue!

Even if he goes on to the Pro's in my opinion next year he needs to hold the NCAA acountable for their double standard!

Go Big Blue!

 

That's part of the problem. The way the legal system works, anybody who tries to take on the NCAA will be out of college by the time its decided anyway. I'd love for Enes (or anybody) to go after the NCAA and stay after them.

The only reason the NCAA is under heat for this is because UK fans are throwing a fit and they will email and gripe at everyone they can when they aren't happy about something. UK fans will talk about Selby and Sidney, but forget John Wall was allowed to repay extra benefits and play last year. They will talk about Bost, but forget about the Randolph Morris email. They will talk about OSU which is really not the same at all because they just sold items that were theirs. And while this as all been said in this thread already, it bears repeating. The NCAA hasn't really been that inconsistent. Kanter just received too much money to just pay it back and move on.

 

No they are getting heat from the biggest mouthpiece in the form of Dick Vitale...maybe not heat, but Vitale criticized the decision and said he would have been eligible if he would have gone to Washington. I think that one stung Emmert.

Other writers have chimed in like Mike DeCoursy and even Mike Lupica.