What will these doctors do instead?

The ones my brother-in-law were talking about will retire early. Some (or most) of them are invested in other ventures as well.

It depends on the doc, experience, location but they make make about what Jay Bruce and Joey Votto are making this year, except they went to school for 10 years.

I honestly don't know how much Jay Bruce or Joey Votto are making.

Y'all, I'm not slow. Help me understand why, when patients will be able to pay, and doctors will be reimbursed via insurance payments for services, doctors stand to lose money?

 

Why are doctors so opposed to this (and by no means are ALL doctors opposed, as I am well aware after having had discussions with quite a few that I know personally).

 

AllTell, I honestly appreciate the concern you express on a personal level. TRock has 3 more years before he graduates with his PhD, so I'm sure we'll see exactly what the effects are by then. But, even before this, he's explored all the ways he can use his degree(s), and I'm confident in his ability to make the right decision for himself when the time comes.

 

Because the reimbursments will go down. Most private plans take their lead from Medicare. Medicare reimbursments go down, private insurance reimbursments tend to go down. Just because a provider bills $100 doesn't mean they are paid $100.00. It's actually about half or in the case of PTs less then half.

Because the reimbursments will go down. Most private plans take their lead from Medicare. Medicare reimbursments go down, private insurance reimbursments tend to go down. Just because a provider bills $100 doesn't mean they are paid $100.00. It's actually about half or in the case of PTs less then half.

Many providers don't accept "the medical card" now because of such poor reimbursement. Perhaps walking in their shoes for awhile would change one's perspective when thinking of having to be forced to take a tenth of what your charge is for the service.

People think all doctors are filthy rich, they really have no clue.

Exactly

It depends on the doc, experience, location but they make make about what Jay Bruce and Joey Votto are making this year, except they went to school for 10 years.

Case in point.

Let me educate some of you who are struggling to understand why there would be a shortage of doctors.

First, managed care will reduce the income of a physician by an average of 60%. I outlined why in the post above.

Second, some physicians are in debt to the tune of 200K when all is said and done upon graduation. Generally, these loans are paid back if you sign on with a group or hospital for a certain pre-agreed upon period. How long do you think that olive branch will last now that hospitals income will be reduced by half?

Third, as stated above, frivilous lawsuits over malpractice that never make it to court because many carriers simply settle out of court to avoid possible loss and time bound in court by the system. And to again refer to what someone stated previously, was that addressed by the administration? Absolutely not.

 

There are more points, but with these alone, why would our best and brightest choose to attend medical school? Seriously, we'll see our best and brightest now choose the route of most reward. That appears to be the banking industry or government (If you choose to separate the two).

The bottom line is it's not the federal governments job or place to tell it's citizens they have to have health insurance. 13 states have already filed a joint lawsuit against the feds. I truly hope this one does not survive. The feds are way out of line.

The bottom line is it's not the federal governments job or place to tell it's citizens they have to have health insurance. 13 states have already filed a joint lawsuit against the feds. I truly hope this one does not survive. The feds are way out of line.

 

So you want the Supreme Court to be the "death panel" for the "death panel" bill. :lol:

You know there are people in this country that don't feel like having health care is a privilage.

 

Totally agree Camel, way too many do believe it's their right!! Unfortunately many of them also believe that due to the fact they are in the US, legally or illegally; they have the RIGHT to healthcare, housing, food, clothing, transportation, etc.; all without contributing to the cost. Great utopian principle, but unfortunately the math doesn't work???? :idunno:

Another problem with the number of physicians is that as the population has increased the number of doctors has not. I will look for the article I read a couple of weeks ago that said we are graduating the same number of doctors as we did in the early 70's because medical schools still accept the same amount of students. Med schools need to expand the amount of students they accept to keep pace with the growing population.

 

Yet another issue not related to the current legislation. I think that if there's one thing that has been accomplished, maybe some people are realizing things about healthcare in our country they never knew. They're blaming the ills on the legislation, but the crisis has been growing over decades.

 

It is related because a major reason given for the passing of the legislation is the rising costs of healthcare. Simple supply and demand is having a big impact on the healthcare industry.

Totally agree Camel, way too many do believe it's their right!! Unfortunately many of them also believe that due to the fact they are in the US, legally or illegally; they have the RIGHT to healthcare

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Yep, it's a right.

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Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Yep, it's a right.

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The bottom line is it's not the federal governments job or place to tell it's citizens they have to have health insurance. 13 states have already filed a joint lawsuit against the feds. I truly hope this one does not survive. The feds are way out of line.

 

That's why this bill makes me sick. Our front doors have been cracked for a while, now the government has their foot inside. I don't care what anyone says, this bill is an attack on our freedom. Never before has our government passed legislation that forced us to join in a contract with another private citizen.

 

BHO and congress has divided this country like no other. They brag about how he "overcame" getting this bill passed. He went against the republicans and 59% of Americans while jamming it through. The only thing bipartisan about the bill is the disagreement on it.

 

I wish I could spit on them all!

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Yep, it's a right.

If life were a right there would be no abortions allowed.

 

FWIW, the United States Declaration of Independence is not part of the Constitution nor law.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Yep, it's a right.

Whose is keeping you from life?