Not having health insurance and not getting needed medical care are two different things. One of the arguments used by those pushing this was that these poor people were already being taken care of by our taxes or fees in one way or another, so why not formalize it?

 

Which is it?

Auto Insurance:idunno:

Wrong! Government roads, my friend. Is your body government owned? Yet?

I am happy for the childern and elderly in this country that now will be insured.

 

It may not be the best bill, but at least it is a start. I am not a big fan of how it all went down. I don't agree with all parts of the bill. But at least the man had the courage to make something happen.

 

Both sides will always have studies and stats proving their points about what is right and what is wrong.

 

Let me ask everyone one a simple question;

 

What is your solution?

 

Because I don't have one. I do know that kids that I coach don't have health insurance, much less a meal to eat some nights. That isn't there fault.

 

Everyone will say it isn't there job to take care of everyone else. I don't disagree with you. But we are talking about Kids that can't help themselves.

 

:confused::popcorn:

Lets see how happy for the children of people that will likely lose their jobs over this because businesses can't continue to support such intrusive programs as this. This is a huge tax hike on one group of people. Stupid example of leadership.

 

BTW, those uninsured still were able to receive heath care and you darn well know it.

Well, I can only speak from the experiences I've had in Louisville hospitals. And maybe that's where the perception that there's no lines, etc. Go to University Hospital on any given day, or Kosair Children's hospital. You'll see people waiting hours for care, whether they have insurance or not.

This is an honest question, do you think the lines will go away now?

This is an honest question, do you think the lines will go away now?

 

That's what I asked.. certainly the line is going up somewhere that is a fact.

This is an honest question, do you think the lines will go away now?

 

That's what I asked.. certainly the line is going up somewhere that is a fact.

 

 

I've never said lines would go away.

 

However, I will say this:

 

Many indigent and uninsured use ER's as primary care. Now, with my insurance, if I go to an ER, there's a $150 copay. If I go to my doctor's office, I pay $25 copay. Essentially, with insurance, people have the ability to go to a primary care physician because the primary care physician will accept an insured patient, and it will cost them less than if they go to the ER. Currently, they go to ER's like University because they have to accept uninsured patients.

 

Let me ask this:

 

Everyone thinks this will drive doctors to get out of practice. Why?

 

Next question, the shortage on doctors can attributed to a lot of things, but the cost of attending medical school is one prohibitive factor, and the 2nd is the cost of malpractice insurance. The shortage existed before this bill passed. Why try to blame it on the bill?

I've never said lines would go away.

 

However, I will say this:

 

Many indigent and uninsured use ER's as primary care. Now, with my insurance, if I go to an ER, there's a $150 copay. If I go to my doctor's office, I pay $25 copay. Essentially, with insurance, people have the ability to go to a primary care physician because the primary care physician will accept an insured patient, and it will cost them less than if they go to the ER. Currently, they go to ER's like University because they have to accept uninsured patients.

 

Let me ask this:

 

Everyone thinks this will drive doctors to get out of practice. Why?

 

Next question, the shortage on doctors can attributed to a lot of things, but the cost of attending medical school is one prohibitive factor, and the 2nd is the cost of malpractice insurance. The shortage existed before this bill passed. Why try to blame it on the bill?

 

I understand and agree with your logic of the ER may not be as cramped if people can go to the regular doctors office, but that line might be backed up as well with the current shortage. The shortage can be attributed to many things, but simple suppy and demand tells us health care may not be convienent in the future.

I have a question.

 

I saw something that stated that children were now covered through the age of 26 on their parents insurance.

 

Does that include children who have gotten a full time job, had their own insurance, then quit that job? What I'm asking is, if I quit my job, would I be able to go back on my parents plan until I turn 26?

I have a question.

 

I saw something that stated that children were now covered through the age of 26 on their parents insurance.

 

Does that include children who have gotten a full time job, had their own insurance, then quit that job? What I'm asking is, if I quit my job, would I be able to go back on my parents plan until I turn 26?

 

Yes that's the way I see it. I was on my moms in my early 20's then picked up my own so I had two going for a bit and that was before this bill. I think it would just come down to the enrollement dates and being signed up at the deadlines.

 

Everyone thinks this will drive doctors to get out of practice. Why?

 

Next question, the shortage on doctors can attributed to a lot of things, but the cost of attending medical school is one prohibitive factor, and the 2nd is the cost of malpractice insurance. The shortage existed before this bill passed. Why try to blame it on the bill?

 

Question one and two:

 

http://www.themedicusfirm.com/pages/medicus-media-survey-reveals-impact-health-reform

 

The results from the Medicus Firm survey, entitled “Physician Survey: Health Reform’s Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care,” were intriguing, particularly in light of the most recently published career projections from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). The BLS predicts a more than a 22 percent increase in physician jobs during the ten-year period ending in 2018. This places physician careers in the top 20 fastest-growing occupations from 2008 to 2018. Meanwhile, nearly one-third of physicians responding to the survey indicated that they will want to leave medical practice after health reform is implemented.

 

...

 

However, health reform could be the proverbial “last straw” for physicians who are already demoralized, overloaded, and discouraged by multiple issues, combining to form the perfect storm of high malpractice insurance costs, decreasing reimbursements, increasing student loan debt, and more.

 

As for question 2.

 

Unfortunately. Remember Obama declaration to the Republicans in the televised 'discussion' - "We won." Almost none of the Republican ideas were incorporated. Tort reform to reduce lawsuit costs and insurance cost was one of those ideas not even considered. Dems get a lot of money from lawyer groups. Tort reform was DOA in this bill.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22assess.html?hp

Yes that's the way I see it. I was on my moms in my early 20's then picked up my own so I had two going for a bit and that was before this bill. I think it would just come down to the enrollement dates and being signed up at the deadlines.

 

The reason I ask is because I'm currently thinking about going back to school full-time for a different career, and what happens to my health insurance is a major obstacle in me making a decision.

I heard a stat the other day but haven't been able to confirm it. I won't say where I heard because some will dismiss it because of the source. The stat was that 83% of people that go to the ER for treatment have insurance. The fact that the ER's are overrun with uninsured just wasn't true.

 

Can anyone shed light on this?

Only if you want the privlege to drive and that's only for the protection of others. Can't think of anything the government requires that you buy that stands alone.

 

You know there are people in this country that don't feel like having health care is a privilage.

The reason I ask is because I'm currently thinking about going back to school full-time for a different career, and what happens to my health insurance is a major obstacle in me making a decision.

 

Being a full time student, yeah I don't see anything blocking you. Full time students now can generally stay on there parents insurance till mid 20's. This bill will relax it even more. My guess is the only problem you may run into is will you still be in school when you hit 27...