Basketball does not have classes. I think the All A is an unsanctioned event and most teams that are classified in football 2A and lower qualify. Maybe even some 3A schools? Hopefully we will get an expert on here to clarify this for us?

 

The smallest 125 schools are able to participate in the All A.

Why do so many people associate the size of the school with the talent level? I see so many times, " talent? they are a 5A school". I can see a difference in footbal because it means the difference between 20-25 players on the team and 80-100 players on the team, but in basketball most teams dress 12-13 players. In making this statement you would assume this week that the 4A-6A schools would dominate the 1A-3A schools because since they are larger they have more talent.

 

I agree that the size of the school doesn't necessarily mean more talented players, but if 1 in 10 kids are big and you have 1000 boys to 200 boys, you'll probably have 5 times as many big kids to choose from.

I agree that the size of the school doesn't necessarily mean more talented players, but if 1 in 10 kids are big and you have 1000 boys to 200 boys, you'll probably have 5 times as many big kids to choose from.

 

Yes, but what if you're in position to take the best players from an entire city?

Yes, but what if you're in position to take the best players from an entire city?

Yes, but what if you're in position to take the best players from a city like Sandy Hook? I think it helps confirm your point. Open enrollment sort of negates the school/size advantage in some instances.

I understand what you are saying. But how big can a program be at a really small school?

 

Again it is not the just the number of kids, but where does his program start... freshman, middle school, elementary schools, etc. For example look at Mac Whitaker's baseball program in Harrison County. Harrison County is not the biggest school in the state, but he has one of the largest baseball programs in the state. And because of this he competes on the state level year in and year out.

Any 5A or 6A school that isn't competitive (.500 or better) every year needs a new coach. Size doesn't guarantee you are will be the best but it makes it easier to get there. Size also should provide enough talent to always be competitive.

Any 5A or 6A school that isn't competitive (.500 or better) every year needs a new coach. Size doesn't guarantee you are will be the best but it makes it easier to get there. Size also should provide enough talent to always be competitive.

 

Agreed:thumb:

Any 5A or 6A school that isn't competitive (.500 or better) every year needs a new coach. Size doesn't guarantee you are will be the best but it makes it easier to get there. Size also should provide enough talent to always be competitive.

 

Uh oh, coach Crews had Male under .500 regular season.

Uh oh, coach Crews had Male under .500 regular season.

 

To me competitive doesn't necessarily mean winning record. Mediocre teams can win 20 games with the right scheduling. Male was a very good team with a very difficult schedule. They were certainly competitive.

Multiple middle schools is one factor few consider but it can give a big advantage with more kids getting more playing time.

The All A Classic uses its own numbers and has nothing to do with football classifcation. This has been beat to death here in East Ky because Shelby Valley is 2A in football. I cant remember exactly what the number is but if you have under their number of students in your sophomore through senior classes then you qualify. In the 15th region you have Johnson Central and Belfry that are larger schools and the rest probably have from 200 to 600 students. Common sense tells you that your better off finding 12 basketball players out of 1500 students rather than 500. Im not saying that the smaller schools cant win or that a bigger school cant have a bad team but the odds are definitely in the bigger schools favor. Using the 15th region as an example in the last 30 years here are the teams that were a legit threat to win a state title. Todd May's Virgie teams of the early 80's, John Pelphreys Paintsville teams of the late 80,s, J.R. Vanhoose and Painstville's Championship team, and now this Shelby Valley team of the last couple years. So it ends up being every 10 to 15 years.

Why do so many people associate the size of the school with the talent level? I see so many times, " talent? they are a 5A school". I can see a difference in footbal because it means the difference between 20-25 players on the team and 80-100 players on the team, but in basketball most teams dress 12-13 players. In making this statement you would assume this week that the 4A-6A schools would dominate the 1A-3A schools because since they are larger they have more talent.

 

Montgomery County should be loaded enough to continually field good athletic teams across the board, but to my knowledge have not done even average in any sport,except girls basketball. Correct me if wrong and what is the reason. Are their feeder programs in all sports really weak?

Newport competed with an enrollment of 541 students smallest of any school that was in the Sweet Sixteen this year. Not impossible to compete but certainly smaller schools have less a chance of being successful year in and year out due to the smaller numbers.

 

don't understand why there's such an uproar when discussing having classes such as with football. If its for the kids seems like it would be better to have 4 or 5 state champs so that MORE kids could enjoy that experience? just a thought...

Newport competed with an enrollment of 541 students smallest of any school that was in the Sweet Sixteen this year. Not impossible to compete but certainly smaller schools have less a chance of being successful year in and year out due to the smaller numbers.

 

don't understand why there's such an uproar when discussing having classes such as with football. If its for the kids seems like it would be better to have 4 or 5 state champs so that MORE kids could enjoy that experience? just a thought...

 

I thought Newport had an awesome year. Having said that, there is the "A" tournament for those smaller schools, and then the Greatest Show in Hoops for all KHSAA schools.

 

Keep things the way they are. You won't get 15-16,000 fans at Rupp in total if you start separating basketball into class champs IMHO.

The law of averages dictates that the larger the population sample, the depth of talent should see a corresponding increase.

 

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I have had this argument with so many people, and I don't understand what is so hard to understand. If I live in a county with 70,000 people and you live in a county with 140,000 people, ... the odds are in your favor for the very reasons you stated. It's not a guarantee, but it is an advantage IF all other factors are equal (eg. feeder programs, coaching, tradition, etc)

 

And for those talking about the All A tourney, it is not just football classified 1A schools who are in that tourney. I know there are some AA if not AAA schools who qualify.