It obviously doesn't take much to be the best referee in the BBA. I would think that you guys on here that are referees would be as arrogant on this message board as your are on the court. You all seem awful touchy. On another note Trojan, I hate to disappoint you, but my high school refereeing days are over. You missed your chance to belittle me. You will just have to do it on the message board.

 

 

WOW you use to be a referee? You must have been one of the ARROGANT ones on here you were talking about!

Edited March 11, 201016 yr by bcd00
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Exactly. Refer to post #35

 

Nothing can be done about it now. What can be done is a rules change to require venues that host championship series games (district, regional and state) have video replay available for last second shots and determining in situations how much time should be on the clock. This would also be a great opportunity for local TV stations to work with schools in developing video journalism classes to film the games. Now we have made something good and educational out of a bad situation.

 

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Which is the point...if you do not know the job of each official and where they are supposed to be looking, then you do not have a reason to question it. As explained before on here, it was the trail officials call. He happened to have the worst look at it and if the other two officals are not 100% he is wrong they are not going to overrule it. Shot was released with around .03seconds on clock. Thats a snap of a finger. Its a coin flip IMO on the call. Instant replay would have been wonderful but they did not have it. We on the other hand get to watch it over and over again and judge them on it. Ain't life grand!

 

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That is ridiculous. You must be kin to the official in question. :lol::lol::lol:

That is ridiculous. You must be kin to the official in question. :lol::lol::lol:

 

Not at all. My post basically summed up what i saw, since i was at the game, and discussed it with several people there and afterward. There were about 11 coaches and referees sitting around me and we were 50/50 on who thought it counted and who thought it didn't. Obviously now we have seen the video and can say the call was missed. What's so ridiculous about that? I know you were pulling for FC so maybe that was why. Instant Replay would have been the only solution in this situation no matter what the call. If he would have counted it they could have double checked that it was indeed good. We all know what would have happened had they had that opportunity here. It's sad for the players, fans and coaches for FC and will always be a what if.

Edited March 11, 201016 yr by bioteacher

Not at all. My post basically summed up what i saw, since i was at the game, and discussed it with several people there and afterward. There were about 11 coaches and referees sitting around me and we were 50/50 on who thought it counted and who thought it didn't. Obviously now we have seen the video and can say the call was missed. What's so ridiculous about that? I know you were pulling for FC so maybe that was why. Instant Replay would have been the only solution in this situation no matter what the call. If he would have counted it they could have double checked that it was indeed good. We all know what would have happened had they had that opportunity here.

 

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Not at all. My post basically summed up what i saw, since i was at the game, and discussed it with several people there and afterward. There were about 11 coaches and referees sitting around me and we were 50/50 on who thought it counted and who thought it didn't. Obviously now we have seen the video and can say the call was missed. What's so ridiculous about that? I know you were pulling for FC so maybe that was why. Instant Replay would have been the only solution in this situation no matter what the call. If he would have counted it they could have double checked that it was indeed good. We all know what would have happened had they had that opportunity here. It's sad for the players, fans and coaches for FC and will always be a what if.

 

If the 11 were 50/50 on the call, then that is pitiful. :isurrender:

How did eleven come to 50/50? Would have to be 55/45, wouldn't it? :lol:

Not at all. My post basically summed up what i saw, since i was at the game, and discussed it with several people there and afterward. There were about 11 coaches and referees sitting around me and we were 50/50 on who thought it counted and who thought it didn't. Obviously now we have seen the video and can say the call was missed. What's so ridiculous about that? I know you were pulling for FC so maybe that was why. Instant Replay would have been the only solution in this situation no matter what the call. If he would have counted it they could have double checked that it was indeed good. We all know what would have happened had they had that opportunity here. It's sad for the players, fans and coaches for FC and will always be a what if.

 

I was giving a rough estimate. Thanks for pointing out a biology teacher's poor math. Its like teaching class, here i find someone else thinking im pitiful. Ain't life grand! As i tell my students there jvdfc, everyone makes mistakes. Its what you what learn and do aftering making them that defines you. This situation happened and i am sure the KHSAA, BBA and every other association in the state will bring this play up in the future. Hopefully some changes, such as instant replay, will come down the pipeline to make sure this doesn't happen again! The only thing i see as being pitiful would be dwelling on something that can't be changed now instead of focusing on some of the outstanding things FC and its kids did this year, and will continue to do into the future.

Edited March 12, 201016 yr by bioteacher

If one ref says no good and one ref says good and the ref underneath definately does not have a vantage point, what do we do??? This is a serious question! What can we do? We do not have video. Can you imagine the conversation:

Trail official: " No good, no good!"

Side offical: " I think it was good, I really do!"

Trail official: " It was my call and it was no good! What do you think underneath official?"

Underneath official: I do not know. I was watching under the basket."

Trail official: " Well then my call stands. No good!"

Side offical: " Well I think it was good and you will agree with me tomorrow when you watch the replay on BGP."

 

It was just bad and now it is up to KHSAA to put something in place to try to prevent it from happening again.

 

The Referees can come over to the score table and ask the Official scorer and or timer. I know, this has happened to me before.

The Referees can come over to the score table and ask the Official scorer and or timer. I know, this has happened to me before.

 

What did they ask you?

I can't believe the people calling for these men to never ref again. A mistake was made, clear and simple. It's not the first time, nor will it be the last. Let this go, and move on.

 

I was also shocked to hear that the losing coach asked the winning coach to forfeit the game because of the call. Unbelievable...

The Referees can come over to the score table and ask the Official scorer and or timer. I know, this has happened to me before.

 

You are wright, the official score keeper is considered an official on the floor also that is why they are wearing a striped shirt, and he can call the others over at any time to confer with them. Even at the end of the game.

The Referees can come over to the score table and ask the Official scorer and or timer. I know, this has happened to me before.

 

It has happened to me before, also, in an instance of a fight as to which players left the bench.

 

I've also been asked to verify that a basket was made.

I was giving a rough estimate. Thanks for pointing out a biology teacher's poor math. Its like teaching class, here i find someone else thinking im pitiful. Ain't life grand! As i tell my students there jvdfc, everyone makes mistakes. Its what you what learn and do aftering making them that defines you. This situation happened and i am sure the KHSAA, BBA and every other association in the state will bring this play up in the future. Hopefully some changes, such as instant replay, will come down the pipeline to make sure this doesn't happen again! The only thing i see as being pitiful would be dwelling on something that can't be changed now instead of focusing on some of the outstanding things FC and its kids did this year, and will continue to do into the future.

 

No speech needed. Thanks for playing though. :thumb: BTW, nobody is more focused on the kids at FCHS and their future success than me. :isurrender:

You are wright, the official score keeper is considered an official on the floor also that is why they are wearing a striped shirt, and he can call the others over at any time to confer with them. Even at the end of the game.

 

The rulebook is very clear as to what situation an official can confer with the timer. The FC last second shot case is not one of them.