I know that Coach Hilton never did 2 a days and also Coach Larkey when he was at Rockcastle never did. Both of those guys are pretty good coaches.

Uh..you need to ask anyone that has ever gone to "camp" with Larkey if they just practiced once a day.

Uh..you need to ask anyone that has ever gone to "camp" with Larkey if they just practiced once a day.

 

:lol:

You are so right.

Another step in the wusification of America.

 

Thanks, but my reasons for wanting a coach to be able to do 2 a days if he so chooses is not based on any concerns about "wusification" as you call it. 2 a days, at least to me, are not about proving "you're a man or a tough guy". To me they are all about increased reps to improve technique, continued acclimation to the heat to get ready for the upcoming games and teaching (within reason) kids to play through fatigue and adversity. The rule we have currently (no back to back days of 2 a days) is more than fine.

 

I believe that football practices should be difficult and demanding because the game is difficult and demanding. But I'm not a fan, not even close, of the Charlie Bradshaw mentality of practicing. Brutalizing players is not the answer.

 

I realize the article spoke about eliminating 2 a days only during the first week of August. Frankly, with the rules we already have in place concerning no back to back days of 2 a days; the requirement that there be at least 5 days of practice out of pads before pads; and the heat index rule, Ky already has rules in place to protect the kids that some other states do not, and that the recommendation is not warranted for Ky. With the passage of HB383, I believe that Ky coaches will be even better informed about the need to conduct practices in the heat under some very strict rules and monitoring.

 

I'm sure that there are coaches that are understandably concerned about the charges against Coach Stinson and the possibility that they could be charged if something similar happened to one of their players. Thus some coaches may be motivated to want to lessen their own liability, which may figure into why those coaches would support what the trainers are recommending (heck, the trainers themselves would benefit from the elimination of some 2 a days because it would lessen their liability if someone was to come down with a heat related injury during their watch). Yet those coaches realize that if they voluntarily cut out 2 a days, while their opposition is still doing 2 a days, their opposition may be getting ahead. So, some coaches might support a rule that eliminates 2 a days completely or even cut back on the number of 2 a days because it: a. lessens their liability; and b. stops the opposition from getting ahead.

 

Just a thought or two.

Leatherneck, I agree, it seems that a hand full of football coaches, and others, are trying tie the hands of programs from out working them. It's another subject, but the basketball only in June and football only in July is one example. I don't understand why some want to handcuff themselves so much, but hopefully the dedicated coaches will step up and make their voices heard on this topic.

 

As for the "Two a Day" issue, I think it is a typical knee jerk reaction. This measure would not stop possible injury, heat exhaustion, heat stroke, or death. If this measure is to lesson the chance of these things from happening, it is not going to do it. A person can have a heat related crisis after being outside less then an hour, are we going to limit practices to no more then 15 minutes? I hope not. Two practices a day is not the causation of heat related problems, it is dehydration, pre-existing medical conditions, not being in the heat in the hottest part of the day, nutrition, and common sense. All these things will not be fixed by limiting a program to one practice a day. Like I said, heat related problems can occur in a single practice just as easily as they can in two practices a day.

 

If the goal is to lesson the chance of heat related problems with players, then there needs to be trained staff on site during practice to monitor the players, there needs to be limits on temperature during practice (which we already have), the players need to be taught to properly hydrate and to eat properly prior to practice, and everyone needs to use common sense. Those will lesson the likelihood of injury and death, not imposing a restriction that will do very little as a preventive measure.

Uh..you need to ask anyone that has ever gone to "camp" with Larkey if they just practiced once a day.

 

I thought they were talking about 2 a days at school, not football camp. both of those coaches go to camp. I know they said something about transporting players back and forth to practice.

 

That would be just like waht Coach J spoke of earlier.

I thought they were talking about 2 a days at school, not football camp. both of those coaches go to camp. I know they said something about transporting players back and forth to practice.

 

That would be just like waht Coach J spoke of earlier.

 

Having practices late at night when it is cooler may not be an option for some schools because of transportation issues. But why should such necessitate a rule change and negatively impact those schools that could have a late night practice without the transportation issues?

I really like the fact that you guys pick up and bus home the ones that are farther from the school.:thumb:

It's a necessity. Some of our kids, especially the ones too young to drive, simply have no other way to practice.

 

Plus it puts a little more green in my pocket.

This is not true. Jefferson County does not require an athletic trainer be on site and they haven't instituted such a policy since last summer.

 

I see no reason to do two-a-days simply to do them as a tradition or whatever. There are other ways to build "team" and commeraderie. Two-a-days should only be used if there are specific things that you can't get in and IMVHO should be few in number. A school that runs more then a week of two-a-days is overdoing it as far as I'm concerned.

 

Are you sure about this? I have been told on 2 or 3 occasions that this has been passed by the school board. If I am wrong I am wrong but what you are saying that the coach or someone illegally calling themselves a trainer treating injuries is just plain dumb. Isn't that how they (PRP) kind of got into the situation they were in with the sudden death of a player? I think any school who has football should have an athletic trainer on site. Sorry but if I had child and he hurt himself and a coach did something that made the injury worst the only word I can say is LAWSUIT. Football is not baseball. It is a collision sport and for liability reason an athletic trainer should be at all events.

Some added perspective...

 

We had 7 on 7 today here in Texas (we are a part of a passing league that plays every Tuesday). We played today at 6:30. We played 3 games. It was 104 degrees. There were eight teams. We had water, shade and trainers ready. We had no incidents. Any practice can be run in hot conditions IF the proper precautions are taken.

 

I know that schools have had issues and I don't want to minimize any incidents (I, myself have had two different bouts with heat exhaustion that led to fainting). I really believe that the proper techniques for a quality two-a-day practices are out there and it is up to coaches to partner with trainers to minimize the risks.

Some added perspective...

 

We had 7 on 7 today here in Texas (we are a part of a passing league that plays every Tuesday). We played today at 6:30. We played 3 games. It was 104 degrees. There were eight teams. We had water, shade and trainers ready. We had no incidents. Any practice can be run in hot conditions IF the proper precautions are taken.

 

I know that schools have had issues and I don't want to minimize any incidents (I, myself have had two different bouts with heat exhaustion that led to fainting). I really believe that the proper techniques for a quality two-a-day practices are out there and it is up to coaches to partner with trainers to minimize the risks.[/quote]

 

Agree:thumb:

Some added perspective...

 

We had 7 on 7 today here in Texas (we are a part of a passing league that plays every Tuesday). We played today at 6:30. We played 3 games. It was 104 degrees. There were eight teams. We had water, shade and trainers ready. We had no incidents. Any practice can be run in hot conditions IF the proper precautions are taken.

 

I know that schools have had issues and I don't want to minimize any incidents (I, myself have had two different bouts with heat exhaustion that led to fainting). I really believe that the proper techniques for a quality two-a-day practices are out there and it is up to coaches to partner with trainers to minimize the risks.

 

I agree with you on this but I will say this regarding Texas. Texas is WAY more advanced when it comes to saftey precautions when it comes to injuries and emergency protocols. The other thing I find interesting that we (Kentucky) start really early with practices compared to other states. Per the UIL website for the state of Texas they are not able to start until August 3. In Kentucky we are already 2 weeks into practice. I know Kansas is pretty close to that as well. My point to this is that we (KY) have almost 3 - 4 weeks of full pads of practices before our FIRST scrimmage compared to where TX has one 1. I think some of where we might have some issues is the recovery time of kids and the way they react to heat.

 

If anyone is interested to see the dates you can go here

Are you sure about this? I have been told on 2 or 3 occasions that this has been passed by the school board. If I am wrong I am wrong but what you are saying that the coach or someone illegally calling themselves a trainer treating injuries is just plain dumb. Isn't that how they (PRP) kind of got into the situation they were in with the sudden death of a player? I think any school who has football should have an athletic trainer on site. Sorry but if I had child and he hurt himself and a coach did something that made the injury worst the only word I can say is LAWSUIT. Football is not baseball. It is a collision sport and for liability reason an athletic trainer should be at all events.

 

I am absolutely, 100% positive about this.

I agree with you on this but I will say this regarding Texas. Texas is WAY more advanced when it comes to saftey precautions when it comes to injuries and emergency protocols. The other thing I find interesting that we (Kentucky) start really early with practices compared to other states. Per the UIL website for the state of Texas they are not able to start until August 3. In Kentucky we are already 2 weeks into practice. I know Kansas is pretty close to that as well. My point to this is that we (KY) have almost 3 - 4 weeks of full pads of practices before our FIRST scrimmage compared to where TX has one 1. I think some of where we might have some issues is the recovery time of kids and the way they react to heat.

 

If anyone is interested to see the dates you can go here

 

 

What is your reasoning behind this statement? Because they start practice later? There is only so much you can do with injuries and emergency protocols.

First, let me say that I believe that a coach and his staff have the right to conduct practice and the length and frequency of those practices as long as they are done within the KHSAA guidelines. Why are we arguing this point? If a school does not like the way their coach is conducting things, speak to him.

Secondly, football teams have practiced 2 and 3 times a day since I can remember. I realize that there have been injury and death related to the heat but look at the numbers. I believe that if there were more instances throughout time, there would be stricter guidelines but there isn't. It is very unfortunate that the deaths that have occurred, but to argue this as a reason for doing away with 2 or 3 a days is wrong. Coaches that teach and prepare their teams safely (as 99.9% do) should be able to schedule without issue.

First, let me say that I believe that a coach and his staff have the right to conduct practice and the length and frequency of those practices as long as they are done within the KHSAA guidelines. Why are we arguing this point? If a school does not like the way their coach is conducting things, speak to him.

Secondly, football teams have practiced 2 and 3 times a day since I can remember. I realize that there have been injury and death related to the heat but look at the numbers. I believe that if there were more instances throughout time, there would be stricter guidelines but there isn't. It is very unfortunate that the deaths that have occurred, but to argue this as a reason for doing away with 2 or 3 a days is wrong. Coaches that teach and prepare their teams safely (as 99.9% do) should be able to schedule without issue.

 

Agreed