No, not all county school systems operate the same. Some have placed limits on who they can take kids from. That's the thing. many have reciprocal agreements, many do not. There is not one set of rules governing enrollment at public schools, therefore there cannot be one set of rules (except the KHSAA) that govern private schools. :banana::banana:

 

I can't speak about Beechwood because I do not know but Campbell county does not have open enrollment or reciprocal agreements. If you live outside of Ft. Thomas city limits and want to go to school there you have to pay tutition and vica versa if you lived in Ft. Thomas and wanted to go to Campbell county you would have to pay tution(not that anyone would). Not sure where the precieved advantage is for HHS that an earlier poster referred to.:sssh:

Absolutely!

 

Not always, but pretty close.

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The poster said "All schools" have open enrollment, and he can say it all he wants and I showed where he was wrong. Yes, a child can go to Eastern who lives in southern Jefferson County/West End. I think central might be another school where a child might have problems getting in if they live in Fern Creek, for example.

 

Read my post again.

 

How do you know that Male is easing up so more "Athletes" can enter?

 

I proved my points by calling Manual and having a child in the system.

^^^Funny. Ever heard of Manual/Male/Butler/ Call them and ask how you get a child in. Let us know the answer because you won't believe me.

 

But for those who will believe me....To enter Manual you MUST be a resident of Jefferson County. You have to apply and a board looks at every application. Then you are asked to submit transcripts of the last two years and write an essay...about what and how many words I'm not sure but the school might tell you if you ask.

 

Manual/Male you have to be in the Traditional program and again you have to apply. Early there is a number system used and its hard for a elementary student, but as they age it gets easier because some kids choose to leave...this I know 100% because we just went through this process with our 6th grader. he did not attend a tradtional school until he applied for this year and again we had to submit grades/attendance/write essays/. He is now in and can choose any school in Jefferson County and Male/Butler.

 

Manual read above. And to be fair I'm not sure if an Oldham etc. child can get into Male/Butler, but I'll call and let you know.

 

Everyone forgets T/X open enrollment if you have $40,000 -

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That's funny b.c I know athletes that are getting into Manual now DESPITE their grades. A certain girl's basketball player that graduated last year went to a stuggline middle school, made very poor grades, but man could she handle the rock. She got in. I certain male basketball player had very questionable grades and struggled mightly in his one year at Manual, but he got in despite his academic record. So to say that getting into Manual is a hard thing to do is very questionable.

Before I straight out call you a liar. I would say you are on dangerous ground with what you are saying. Unquestionably Manual is the most difficult school to get into in Jefferson Co. I would throw in the following, there are two programs in Manual that require non traditional skills to get in, those being YPAS and the VA program. So if they show skill in music art or acting they can get into those programs without being a straight A student. I would also wonder what year you are talking, up until a year ago Manual was having a hard time with fitting the old racial quota and I understand exceptions were made in order to fit the old quotas.

 

I would also challenge what ever school you support to equal Manual in academic achievement.

Riddle me this, how many of the top programs are open enrollment in some fashion or form.

 

Beechwood: Open enrollment

Highlands: Open enrollment

Trinity: Open enrollment

St X: Open enrollment

NCC: Open enrollment

 

As far as I know all of this schools are either private or independent. Which means they are open enrollment schools. Now of course the finger points to Kenton Co. because they are open enrollment and certain schools do get certain players because of it. Look through out the state of open enrollment schools and how they do. Not just in football but in a certain area. Williamstown is not going to do well in any sport but they do well in band and that is due to a large part of open enrollment.

The reason these teams have perennial championship football programs is:

 

Beechwood-Great coaching

Highlands-Great coaching

Trinity-Great coaching

St. Xavier-Great coaching

NCC-Great coaching

I can't speak about Beechwood because I do not know but Campbell county does not have open enrollment or reciprocal agreements. If you live outside of Ft. Thomas city limits and want to go to school there you have to pay tutition and vica versa if you lived in Ft. Thomas and wanted to go to Campbell county you would have to pay tution(not that anyone would). Not sure where the precieved advantage is for HHS that an earlier poster referred to.:sssh:

 

Again, any child can go as long as they pay some sort of "tuition" and they meet whatever criteria HHS and Beechwood choose to use. What might that magic tuition number be?Around $1,000.00? My point is any child may apply to these schools who resides outside the school district and for a fee, they may be allowed to enroll. Whether or nor someone from Ohio chooses to attend these schools is another topic. But, there is no rule barring them as far as the KHSAA is concerned.

Again, any child can go as long as they pay some sort of "tuition" and they meet whatever criteria HHS and Beechwood choose to use. What might that magic tuition number be?Around $1,000.00? My point is any child may apply to these schools who resides outside the school district and for a fee, they may be allowed to enroll. Whether or nor someone from Ohio chooses to attend these schools is another topic. But, there is no rule barring them as far as the KHSAA is concerned.

 

True, but the same is true for all public schools having an independent district has no bearing on anything they are no different than any other public school. Anyone can go to any public school that is out of thier district by paying tution, in other words no advantage to HHS or Beechwood. To my knowledge unlike T & X; HHS has never had a player from another state on thier roster. Why would they if someone lived in OH they have St. X, Elder, Moeller, Colerain, etc to attend. Also if a player does transfer to HHS they have to deal with the KHSAA board of control to approve the transfer as a bona fide change in residence or lose a year of eligability. Is the same true for privates???

A county school does not have to accept someone from out of district. If there is a KY law or reg that says so then post a link to it please. I know our school district can accept people out of district but by no means must.

 

I never said that open enrollment was cheap or the only reason. I did not say it was even the main reason. If you want your child to be part of one of the best programs then with money and transportation many of those programs are open to you.

A county school does not have to accept someone from out of district. If there is a KY law or reg that says so then post a link to it please. I know our school district can accept people out of district but by no means must.

 

I never said that open enrollment was cheap or the only reason. I did not say it was even the main reason. If you want your child to be part of one of the best programs then with money and transportation many of those programs are open to you.

 

I agree with this statement completely but I have read multiple post that suggest that because HHS and Beechwood are Indpendent districts they can admit anyone they want. They can as long as the student pays tuition which is the same as all public schools. I am not aware of any law that forces county schools to accept out of district kids but I never made that statement. So "open enrollment" isn't an advantage of an Independent district is all that I was pointing out.

True, but the same is true for all public schools having an independent district has no bearing on anything they are no different than any other public school. Anyone can go to any public school that is out of thier district by paying tution, in other words no advantage to HHS or Beechwood.

 

By the above statement implies that anyone can attend any public school if they pay money. That just is not true. To say open enrollment is in no way an advantage is completely false. If you have a son and you want them in a good football program you have a number of options because of open enrollment in some manner. NCC, Beechwood, Cov Cath, and HHS are all choices.

 

I do not think anyone from Trinity or St X woudl deny that the ability to pull students from a large area and that they have a form of open enrollment (though it comes at a price) is an advantage to the school. Not just in football but as a school.

By the above statement implies that anyone can attend any public school if they pay money. That just is not true. To say open enrollment is in no way an advantage is completely false. If you have a son and you want them in a good football program you have a number of options because of open enrollment in some manner. NCC, Beechwood, Cov Cath, and HHS are all choices.

I do not think anyone from Trinity or St X woudl deny that the ability to pull students from a large area and that they have a form of open enrollment (though it comes at a price) is an advantage to the school. Not just in football but as a school.

 

Yes it is. Provided that they have the room in the school and accept you. County schools don't have to accept you but can, just the same as HHS and Beechwood. It is not that hard of a concept to understand, so you can do a little research before you post something that suggests I am being untruthful.

To your second point, Yes they are and two are private, but so are Boone Co, Campbell Co, Ryle, SK, Dixie, Holmes, Newport, Bellevue, Dayton, etc etc...Again where is the advantage for HHS & Beechwood over any other public school?

158.120 Nonresident pupils -- Tuition.

(1) Any board of education may charge a reasonable tuition fee per month for each child attending its schools whose parent, guardian, or other legal custodian is not a bona fide resident of the district. Any controversy as to the fee shall be submitted to the Kentucky Board of Education for final settlement. The fee shall be paid by the board of education of the school district in which the pupil resides, except in cases where the board makes provision for the child's education within his district. If a board of education is required to pay a pupil's tuition fee, the pupil shall be admitted to a school only upon proper certificate of the board of education of the district in which he resides.

(2) When it appears to the board of education of any school district that it is convenient for a pupil of any grade residing in that district to attend an approved public school in another district, the board of education may enter into a tuition contract with the public school authorities of the other school district for that purpose, but before a contract is entered into with public school authorities in another state the school shall have been approved by the state school authorities of that state through the grades in which the pupil belongs. When a district undertakes, under operation of a tuition contract or of law, to provide in its school for pupils residing in another district, the district of their residence shall share the total cost of the school, including transportation when furnished at public expense, in proportion to the number of pupils or in accordance with contract agreement between the two (2) boards.

Because they may do it does not mean a school district does do it. To say all public schools do it is incorrect. To say schools in the state can do it is correct. You see it in other sports. If one school has a good sport program students will (if the school allows) enroll in a school in which they normally would not be in district.

 

My school only allows students from inside the county to enroll in the school. All students who resided outside the county were told they could not return. They do not allow a student to enroll for a fee. We are not the only county school like this. We gain students from the other school due to the fact we offer things they do not. we have students leave our school to go to the independent school so they can start/play as opposed to not making the team.

I’m not in Jefferson County but understand they have a lot of issues with where students can attend school. What if a student can continue to attend any school they want, but still play sports in the district where there home is located in? That would be similar to all the other counties in the state I believe? I know it might be a pain for the student to play ball at say Atherton while they are attending say Manual or Male but they are going for the academic not the sports program.

 

As for St X and Trinity I believe a lot of the things I read in the post. They are an outstanding program because of the amount of students, facilities, coaching etc. I believe they should be able to play any team they want in the regular season and have playoff games with all the private schools in surrounding areas and even states. I enjoying watching X and Trinity play each other because they are even competition. I’m sure the private schools could work it out.

Because they may do it does not mean a school district does do it. To say all public schools do it is incorrect.

Then how is that the problem of those that do? The school chooses their own fate.