With some of the accusations by witnesses, this could be bad.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080827/NEWS01/80827041&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

This isn't looking good.

Here's my question about that story: Were those "witnesses" there with pen and pad to be taking elaborate, multi-sentence direct quotes from the coach? Something about that doesn't quite jive.

No matter what exactly happened, this is a tragedy. All coaches associated w/possible heat illness need to realize this is the yr 2008 and things are different in today's society. There is not any more "suck it up" involved. These athletes must be hydrated and hydrated some more. There are simple guidelines to abide by and no reason why they shouldn't abide by them. Sure, there will be kids that still get sick and over heated but then you take percautions and cool them down and they are finished for the day. How much harder can it be, do what's right and everyone should be safe.

This is a horrible situation that is made worse knowing that it could have been prevented. This makes me sick. God be with the family and friends.

Here's my question about that story: Were those "witnesses" there with pen and pad to be taking elaborate, multi-sentence direct quotes from the coach? Something about that doesn't quite jive.

 

 

I'm not sure I understand Jim. From what I gathered from reading the story is a couple of adults stated they witnessed a couple of coaches telling players to stay away from the water. What exactly are you getting at with your post?

Here's my question about that story: Were those "witnesses" there with pen and pad to be taking elaborate, multi-sentence direct quotes from the coach? Something about that doesn't quite jive.

Whether it is appropriate or not, I think it is very common not to allow players to get water DURING a drill. I would assume that this happened during the sprints. It isn't hard for me to imagine some of the players leaving the drill to get water bottles and the coach yelling at them to get beck in the drill, this would be very easy for a observer to notice. I don't know that it happened that way, but I could this scenario very easily. 99.99% of the time everyone leaves the field, unfortunately the very worst of the worst happened in this case.

Here's my question about that story: Were those "witnesses" there with pen and pad to be taking elaborate, multi-sentence direct quotes from the coach? Something about that doesn't quite jive.

 

What elaborate, multi-sentence direct quotes are you referring to. Is there another article. This article really doesn't list any quotes, other than "get back out there, get back out there" which doesn't seem like it would be too hard to rememeber hearing.

I've never been to PRP. Are the soccer field and football practice location that close? Is it realistic to think people at the soccer field with a game going on could hear what happened with football practice?

This looks like it may get real ugly before it is over. My prayers just continue to go out to the family and friends of these kids, this was a tragedy.

I can't really comment on anything else not knowing the individuals involved or what actually took place.

I'm not sure I understand Jim. From what I gathered from reading the story is a couple of adults stated they witnessed a couple of coaches telling players to stay away from the water. What exactly are you getting at with your post?

 

The story linked in the first post is a much shorter version than what appeared in today's print version.

 

In the print version, a Rhonda Barnett, whose daughter attends PRP, was quoted as saying she heard a player ask if he could stop and get a drink:

 

"The coach's response was to yell, 'Did I tell you that you need a drink of water? You don't tell me when you need something, you got that? We are the professionals here, we'll tell you when you need a drink or a break or anything else,'" Barnett said in an e-mail.

 

I know football coaches are intense and such, but I have a hard time believing the PRP coach said that. Especially with the memory of the Henderson Co. player's death still pretty fresh from a couple of years ago.

 

Again, I ask, was Barnett carrying a notebook or a tape recorder?

Hopefully someone will learn something from this and others can be spared. You cannot be too careful when it comes to this sort of thing. Parents need to make sure that water is not withheld and precautions are taken in extreme heat. I had to inform a little league coach who thought he was toughening up 10 yr olds by withholding water that this was not going to be happening with my son. If you need more info check out teammom.com

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The story linked in the first post is a much shorter version than what appeared in today's print version.

 

In the print version, a Rhonda Barnett, whose daughter attends PRP, was quoted as saying she heard a player ask if he could stop and get a drink:

 

 

 

I know football coaches are intense and such, but I have a hard time believing the PRP coach said that. Especially with the memory of the Henderson Co. player's death still pretty fresh from a couple of years ago.

 

Again, I ask, was Barnett carrying a notebook or a tape recorder?

 

So she gave her best recollection of what was said. I don't see the big deal here, unless you think she's making it up entirely. Very infrequently do witnesses remember verbatim what was said to them or what they overhead. It's not a perfect world. They offer, as best they can recall, what they believed they saw or heard. She may be off a word or two, but I'm guessing what she offered is pretty darn accurate.

So she gave her best recollection of what was said. I don't see the big deal here, unless you think she's making it up entirely. Very infrequently do witnesses remember verbatim what was said to them or what they overhead. It's not a perfect world. They offer, as best they can recall, what they believed they saw or heard. She may be off a word or two, but I'm guessing what she offered is pretty darn accurate.

 

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