And it's clear you've never worn the stripes before.

We have to be licensed officials to have an opinion? Yeah, right. I'll remember that next time someone criticizes an official's call.

Another example of the KHSAA being completely inconsistent in it's rulings, and not having the backbone to enforce rules and regulations. I was, however, happy to see Mason Co. win the title. Congrats to the Royals!

This seems to be a moot point. The officials were the ones who made the mistake in the semifinal game. Generally speaking, when a poor decision is made by a referee in a game it is not reversed (especially after the game has been completed). At this point, it is history. The officials did not disqualify the player during the game. This may have been a mistake by the officials. Nevertheless, a technical was assessed but no disqualification was issued. With no disqualification, there cannot be a suspension for the next contest. (In my six years as a varsity head basketball coach, this was always my understanding.)

 

The KHSAA was wrong to analyze this officiating decision after the conclusion of the semifinal game. They were horribly wrong to wait until 7:00 p.m. to notify Mason County that their player would be suspended (for an infraction that was incorrectly interpreted by officials in a prior game). This was unfair to the players and coaches who were not able to prepare mentally and physically for the next game (as they would have if they knew a starter would not play).

 

If the officials make a mistake as they did in the semifinal by not disqualifying the player, then all parties involved must live with the decision. As the old saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right". The KHSAA intervened where and when they shouldn't have. Subsequently, they realized this and made the correct decision by allowing the player to participate.

And it's clear you've never worn the stripes before.

 

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This seems to be a moot point. The officials were the ones who made the mistake in the semifinal game. Generally speaking, when a poor decision is made by a referee in a game it is not reversed (especially after the game has been completed). At this point, it is history. The officials did not disqualify the player during the game. This may have been a mistake by the officials. Nevertheless, a technical was assessed but no disqualification was issued. With no disqualification, there cannot be a suspension for the next contest. (In my six years as a varsity head basketball coach, this was always my understanding.)

 

The KHSAA was wrong to analyze this officiating decision after the conclusion of the semifinal game. They were horribly wrong to wait until 7:00 p.m. to notify Mason County that their player would be suspended (for an infraction that was incorrectly interpreted by officials in a prior game). This was unfair to the players and coaches who were not able to prepare mentally and physically for the next game (as they would have if they knew a starter would not play).

 

If the officials make a mistake as they did in the semifinal by not disqualifying the player, then all parties involved must live with the decision. As the old saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right". The KHSAA intervened where and when they shouldn't have. Subsequently, they realized this and made the correct decision by allowing the player to participate.

All fair points.

And it's clear you've never worn the stripes before.

 

You would be badly mistaken to think that my friend!

National Federation of High Schools rules disqualify a player if he "leaves the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may break out."

 

 

You can be assessed a technical for stepping onto the floor when not in the game.

 

If you step onto the floor during a fight or when a fight may break out isn't it an automatic ejection and a technical foul?

 

During the game I felt that was the call, he stepped onto the floor, but wasn't going anywhere to fight, so only a technical was assessed.

This seems to be a moot point. The officials were the ones who made the mistake in the semifinal game. Generally speaking, when a poor decision is made by a referee in a game it is not reversed (especially after the game has been completed). At this point, it is history. The officials did not disqualify the player during the game. This may have been a mistake by the officials. Nevertheless, a technical was assessed but no disqualification was issued. With no disqualification, there cannot be a suspension for the next contest. (In my six years as a varsity head basketball coach, this was always my understanding.)

 

The KHSAA was wrong to analyze this officiating decision after the conclusion of the semifinal game. They were horribly wrong to wait until 7:00 p.m. to notify Mason County that their player would be suspended (for an infraction that was incorrectly interpreted by officials in a prior game). This was unfair to the players and coaches who were not able to prepare mentally and physically for the next game (as they would have if they knew a starter would not play).

 

If the officials make a mistake as they did in the semifinal by not disqualifying the player, then all parties involved must live with the decision. As the old saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right". The KHSAA intervened where and when they shouldn't have. Subsequently, they realized this and made the correct decision by allowing the player to participate.

 

I agree with this assessment:thumb:

I would bet he wouldn't have played if Mason were facing Lex Cath or Scott Co in the finals.

So my question, "Will all players that leave the bench next year and years to follow NOT be ejected?" I would not be surprised to see the KHSAA change the rule. Now parents of athletes that get ejected for this same reason have a landmark case that they can use against the KHSAA. Another very public example that they (3 refs, which are supposed to be the BEST in the state, and KHSAA) do not follow their own rules. The KHSAA needs a system of checks and balances.

 

I don't think Setty should have been ejected for the finals. Should he have stepped onto the floor? No. But, he reacted to his own teamate getting knocked to the floor intentionally. It wasn't like he ran all the way to free throw lane and started anything. I think he deserved the technical, but not an ejection. If people want to start talking about bending the rules, how many times do you see an intentional foul called when it should be. They call it when they want to. So, let the better team enjoy winning the state tournament. If I couldn't beat a team with their best 5, I wouldn't want to beat them.:thumb:

I was there all weekend and saw the games. Setty did step on the floor when the flagrant happened. The refs did talk a while. At the time, the announcer did indicate it was a technical for leaving the bench.

 

The KHSAA, SEC, NCAA etc.. all review technicals, fights, and make rulings after the game is over. So that was not unusal. The refs make the in game calls, and the KHSAA has final determination on eligibility and suspension. Many suspensions are handed down after a game.

 

Based on the KHSAA rules, it does seem he should have been ineligible for the game.

 

Setty DID have a significant impact on the game. I watched as Holmes had one of their better defenders on him all night. Setty got some pretty critical rebounds during the game. If he was not in, they could have "triple teamed" Miller, forced more turnover, etc. No one will ever know, but if he didn't play, I think it is likely that Holmes may have won the game.

 

I am not from Mason County, but was hoping they would win last night. So I am happy they won, but have mixed feelings on the issue.

 

I think Setty did a pretty stupid thing during the semi-finals. I know it was the heat of the moment, but leaving the bench is a pretty clear rule, and the kids and coaches know it and talk about it. He might have cost his team a state championship.

 

Unfortunately for Mason, this will always be somewhat of a "tainted" championship for them. It will be debated for many many years. And I feel bad for the kids. The "mega-teams" in KY (Scott Co, Mason, Catholic, UHA and some others) are kind of like Duke on the college stage. If you are not one of their fans, most of the rest of the state dislikes them. Many people feel they somehow have an unfair advantage for whatever reasons. When you are perennially good, and get a lot of media attention, you will always be a bigger target for the rest of the state.

 

Regardless in the end, I think things worked out. Mason, Catholic, Bryan Station, and Holmes were the best teams in the state throughout this year. And of those four might have won it on a different day or week. They all should be proud, along with all the teams in the state. The fact that we have so many people on these boards at all hours of the day/night, 365 days of the year, speaks to why KY is the greatest basketball state in the country.

I was there all weekend and saw the games. Setty did step on the floor when the flagrant happened. The refs did talk a while. At the time, the announcer did indicate it was a technical for leaving the bench.

 

The KHSAA, SEC, NCAA etc.. all review technicals, fights, and make rulings after the game is over. So that was not unusal. The refs make the in game calls, and the KHSAA has final determination on eligibility and suspension. Many suspensions are handed down after a game.

 

Based on the KHSAA rules, it does seem he should have been ineligible for the game.

 

Setty DID have a significant impact on the game. I watched as Holmes had one of their better defenders on him all night. Setty got some pretty critical rebounds during the game. If he was not in, they could have "triple teamed" Miller, forced more turnover, etc. No one will ever know, but if he didn't play, I think it is likely that Holmes may have won the game.

 

I am not from Mason County, but was hoping they would win last night. So I am happy they won, but have mixed feelings on the issue.

 

I think Setty did a pretty stupid thing during the semi-finals. I know it was the heat of the moment, but leaving the bench is a pretty clear rule, and the kids and coaches know it and talk about it. He might have cost his team a state championship.

 

Unfortunately for Mason, this will always be somewhat of a "tainted" championship for them. It will be debated for many many years. And I feel bad for the kids. The "mega-teams" in KY (Scott Co, Mason, Catholic, UHA and some others) are kind of like Duke on the college stage. If you are not one of their fans, most of the rest of the state dislikes them. Many people feel they somehow have an unfair advantage for whatever reasons. When you are perennially good, and get a lot of media attention, you will always be a bigger target for the rest of the state.

 

Regardless in the end, I think things worked out. Mason, Catholic, Bryan Station, and Holmes were the best teams in the state throughout this year. And of those four might have won it on a different day or week. They all should be proud, along with all the teams in the state. The fact that we have so many people on these boards at all hours of the day/night, 365 days of the year, speaks to why KY is the greatest basketball state in the country.

 

Do you have recent examples of other post game rulings by the KHSAA? Seems to me this has been more prevalent in the NBA but not on the high school level.

I, for one, salute the KHSAA for putting their heads together and making the right call.

 

It would have been a terrible shame to see such a fine young man have to sit his final, and biggest, game of his career because a bunch of administrators feel like enforcing the letter of the law is more important than the spirit of the law. If David Stern had the courage to stand up and make that call, we'd be taking about the defending champion Phoenix Suns right now.

I, for one, salute the KHSAA for putting their heads together and making the right call.

 

It would have been a terrible shame to see such a fine young man have to sit his final, and biggest, game of his career because a bunch of administrators feel like enforcing the letter of the law is more important than the spirit of the law. If David Stern had the courage to stand up and make that call, we'd be taking about the defending champion Phoenix Suns right now.

 

 

KHSAA did not make the right call! They make rules to be followed. He did not follow the rules, therefore, you have to face the consequences... Rules says leaving the bench is automatic ejection and if you are ejected you sit out the next game. He left the bench so he should have been ejected and not been allowed to play in the finals.

 

We need to be held accountable for our actions... Constantly letting people off for doing wrong is just not right.

I would bet he wouldn't have played if Mason were facing Lex Cath or Scott Co in the finals.

 

I agree 100%