I think the bigger issue is the eight hours of sleep our athletes are getting each night. A well conditioned, dedicated, athlete could get by on seven thus leaving an extra seven hours per week to dedicate to his sport. That "dead period" thing is costing an awful lot of scholarships and championships to. Can't we eliminate that?

You are quite right there, but my personal experience has been there are more that will work with you if you are up front and approach them, than there are those who will not. I admit, I've been burned by a coach or two that turned colors after I left them, but the vast majority that I have encountered were quite workable. A good coach understands that good athletes will usually play multiple sports and would rather not risk losing them over being bullheaded.

 

I know there are more coaches that will work with a player than won't. But there are those 1-5% in this state that won't work with a student. And those same coaches just don't realize that scouts and coaches on the college level love to see a kid that can play multiple sports. Some just don't get it.

I respectfully disagree...If a kid can truly play he'll get noticed.

I work with a lot of student-athletes, in this area and unless they live in areas where colleges or professional scouts can drive to see, they will not get noticed. Those days are over with, unless you are a D1 standout.

 

Camps/Showcases for Baseball, along with Camps/Combines for Football, are where the evaluation process happens. The College coaches can watch videos of you but they want hands on, at some point to decide.

 

BD77 is right, as some will certainly work with you and others won't. Some schools have the student body, to allow student-athletes to just play one sport and others, don't.

 

No proposal is perfect, change is often good but with what was offered in this thread, is of concern to me as it affects Baseball and summer youth programs.

I know there are more coaches that will work with a player than won't. But there are those 1-5% in this state that won't work with a student. And those same coaches just don't realize that scouts and coaches on the college level love to see a kid that can play multiple sports. Some just don't get it.

 

And the choir said AMEN!! And it is usually those same guys (and women) that are also breaking the rules in terms of mandatory off-season participation and everything else that is being legislated today. As I have said all along, we keep making rules and more rules that are the result of the sins of a very few, yet they adversely affect the majority.

Not feeling too well right now, but I'll have plenty to say on this later...

Football is the "big money" sport at most High schools...that is the problem that baseball coaches have been fighting for years. We get NO money for equipment, but you had bet your tail that the basketball teams and the football teams get a pretty penny. I just see this hurting baseball even more, and realistically most of the kids who play High school football will NOT play football on Saturdays. But they could play baseball at some school and have their College paid for, and still be able to walk around once they are older.

I hope it does pass because in the end football makes the most money for the schools, and if you have a good football program then you can make money for the school. Football is the best sport in my opinion and I enjoy basketball and baseball, but it just doesn't create as much excitement and money for the schools. I do agree however about the heat but there is no way around those factors, we are really taking away 2 adays because of the season moved back, teams don't go nearly as many 2 adays as they used to.

 

 

All other rhetoric aside it still comes down to the money. A sad commentary on high school sports

Okay, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here and simply guess you've missed my point entirely. Again, it has nothing to do with scholarships available at said university. I was making a point towards what can be seen by a college coach with regards to potential players who can be college athletes. A poster above stated that professional baseball aspirations are a pipe dream and silly due to the $ given minor leaguers. My point is that summer is more important to baseball players with regards to potential college scholarships as has been outlined by others since my post. And FWIW, the # of scholarships available at any university who has both baseball and football are universal. The NCAA made sure of that, so your point about "big time baseball schools" doesn't make sense. There are limits scholarship-wise regardless of your program success.

 

I do have a question for you here, and keep in mind I am avid baseball fan in addition to being a football fan. So the argument for kids needing to play on summer league teams is exposure, correct? (My son plays on one by the way) I have heard people say that this is the only time college coaches can come see the kids play due to their in season obligations. Now, I'm no genius, but doesn't this apply to football too? Don't the coaches who coach football also have to coach while HS kids are playing their seasons? So how are they doing it? Are kids "missing out"? Why don't they need to see kids play "summer football" to make an assessment about their talent level? What gives?

 

For the record, I went to a Big 10 school on a baseball scholarship. And anyone who doesn't see that there are exponentially more football scholarships than baseball is just ignoring facts. So the numbers (if it is just by the numbers), do say that you have a better chance with football. Furthermore, baseball coaches have begun to divide and subdivide their scholarships in an effort to get as many bodies on their teams as possible within their limitations. So nowadays it is much, much more common to see an absolutely fantastic HS baseball player go to school with only a .5 scholarship (or less). I can tell you that I didn't receive full compensation until my junior year.

 

Having played and coached in summer baseball in the SWOL I can securely say that it has been taken a bit overboard. I don't care who you are, no 12 year old needs to play 90 games in a summer. Heck, I don't think a 17 year old needs to play that many games in the summer. It is amazing to look at the leagues that are FOR college players and see that they only play one or two days a week, and rarely have organized practices after the beginning of the summer. Imagine that. I for one would be in favor of expanding the dead period to encompass all of June and July. Let the kids be kids.

Is "fall ball" a very big deal? I don't know of any NKY kids that play high school fall ball.

 

Huge deal in OH. Growing rapidly in NKY.

Summer is for Baseball, in youth programs, which I stated before. What's going to eventually happen, is student-athletes are going to have to choose, which sport they play at an earlier age. The proposal to abolish non-school participation, is just one more step. You'll find more kids or student-athletes, playing summer Baseball, than you will playing Football in June/July, that is until the season start or allowable time, keeps getting pushed up.

 

I'm not speaking in regard to HS Baseball in July, but rather the summer and youth programs. Here's my point, Johnny wakes up and has to decide. He has a "Passing League" practice/scrimmage at 6:00 or he can play in a "summer baseball game", in which scouts are around. Now if he's a WR or QB, is he going to miss the passing league and play baseball....which does he choose, especially if he has the potential to play college baseball but can't get or has limited exposure/camp time.

 

Again, I'll pose the question to you, as you seem to be a very knowledgeable baseball man. What is it that prevents college baseball coaches from getting out and scouting during the season? College football coaches find a way to get it done, as there is no "summer football" for them to scout? Are they doing a better job? Why are they able to scout in season but baseball is not? In your scenario, what if college FB coaches are only available to scout Johnny at the passing leagues due to in season commitments? What then?

 

I have been around baseball for a long time, and I think we are pushing this a bit too far. The fact of the matter is that many (not ALL as there are some very, very good ones) summer "programs" aren't being honest with some of the kids about their chances of acquiring a scholarship. In fairness, the same can be said about many HS football coaches. What we now have is the vast majority of kids that play summer baseball (check out the total number of kids playing in the SWOL :scared:) that realistically have no shot of obtaining a scholarship. Are they getting quality instruction and coaching? In most cases, absolutely. But for every kid out there that ends up getting a scholly that may not have, there is AT LEAST 1 whose arm is run into the ground by coaches who know no better (I'm sure you can attest to this).

 

If a kid is an exceptional baseball talent, I have no problem with him missing the majority of the summer to pursue that. It is his future. The difference is that nowadays so many are missing. There is no easy answer to this problem, but I do not think that summer should belong to baseball.

C'mon Camel, re-read your post. If September is high school football season, then July is not high school football season. Those IMO are the apples and oranges.

 

IMO, it comes down to this. Each sport tries to extend the time for their athletes to be better at said sport. Baseball has done it the longest, summer baseball has been around forever. Then basketball and AAU has extended into the summer and beyond. As a rule, I'd guess football has done this the least, and that seems to be the agenda of these coaches. I'm not saying it's wrong, just that like S3, I think there will have to be more choices made by baseball players, and AAU basketball players for that matter about whether or not to attend "passing league".

 

I tend to agree with this, but weren't baseball and basketball coaches forcing kids to make decisions long before football got its act together? Just because "that's the way it has always been" doesn't make it right. Outlaw coach hit the nail on the head, that the coaches need to work together. The problem is that the summer teams, baseball or basketball, have no real contact with the HS teams and in many instances couldn't care less about the success of that particular HS. Heck, they may not even play their summer sport in the same state as their HS. "What we have here is a failure to communicate". :thumb:

Not at all, but College baseball plays on Wed and Fri.-Sun, while most College Football games are Saturday, which would allow some recruiting coordinator, to view within a reasonable drive.

 

Summer as discussed, is often set aside for camps, showcase and combines for Baseball and Football. All of which, are critical in the student-athlete evaluation.

 

As for it not being mandatory, perhaps not unless you are vying for a spot, or you're already a WR or QB, that could lose his position to someone of similar talent, who can attend.

 

My point being, there is a reason schools dismiss for summer and have no school. There is a reason, like it or not, that KHSAA has ByLaws regarding season limits. So increasing these time frames, to include more and more structured HS organized practices, will force some not all to specialize even more during the summer. Something none of us adults, should want to have happen.

 

Guess I should read all the posts before posting. :creepy:

 

What stops a college Baseball coach from sending "some recruiting coordinator" to view a prospect on Mondays, Tuesdays, or Thursdays anymore than a FB coach going to view a prospect on Fridays? (Which is not usually done)

 

I wholeheartedly agree about the limitations of seasons. My question then becomes, should football start a "summer football" program to get players exposure? Would that be any better than what we currently have? Is that even feasible?

Kids are always going to have to choose in the summer. This is a good faith effort by basketball and football coaches to DECREASE the times student/athletes must choose between these two major sports. It is a positive move by some coaches who have kids best interests in mind.

After reading the impressive list of football and basketball coaches endorsing this proposal, I have to offer my support. These guys are truly great coaches who have the best interests of the kids at heart. I believe they know what is best for their sport.

We are all forgetting that this is high school and not college or pro sports. Everyone is forgetting that around 90% of ALL high school athletes will NOT play a sport in college (nationwide). Why should any coach pressure a kid to specialize in one sport?

 

Yahoo83 please stop posting anything about baseball because it is obvious you are a football person. That is fine and nothing wrong with that but you have made so many uninformed posts about baseball. I'm not trying to criticize you nor offend you. You are just wrong on your facts.

 

Let's remember that high school coaches can endorse their athletes all they want but a college coach PROBABLY won't listen to the vast majority of high school coaches. College coaches could be fired for the skill level of kids they bring in so they will want to see the kid themself. They may listen to an established high school coach who has won many state championships - Bob Redman at Male football; Bill Miller at PRP baseball; some guy at some school basketball (sorry couldn't think of one).

 

Do you honestly think the football, basketball or baseball coach at Kentucky Wesleyan College will take the word of the football, basketball or baseball coach at East Ridge High School in Pike County? Not a chance.

 

All college sports run camps and showcases for 2 reasons: 1) to see kids and 2) to make money. It's easier / profitable for a college to run a camp and bring in 100 kids and see them. If they find a kid they like then they start to watch him.

 

Football and basketball coaches in college can go to high school games to recruit because of time and number of coaches. They are still limited in where they can go though. Football coaching staffs run around 10 coaches (give or take 2) and basketball coaching staffs will run around 5 coaches (give or take 1) but baseball coaching staffs will run around 3 (there usually isn't much give or take here). University of Tennessee had a very successful run under head baseball coach Rod Delmonico but he only had 2 coaches.

 

Also, football and basketball in college will usually have a bigger recruiting budget than baseball. On the college level baseball is getting shafted really hard by the NCAA but that is another topic all together and it has nothing to do with other sports other than the NCAA is not letting baseball grow and prosper like other sports.

 

Now let me get back on topic - ALL sports in high school have become year round regardless of what you think. Football will lift weights and run and have 7 on 7 passing stuff. Basketball will have open gym and team camps. Baseball has summer teams and fall ball. Each sport will take you year around if you concentrate on one. Is that good or is that bad? I say both. It will help your skills but only if you truly have a love for the sport which most kids do not sadly to say. The bad part is that a lot of kids will get burned out because they concentrate only on one thing all the time. Remember this is high school and not college / pro. These are kids and not adults and they get NO compensation for this. They may be trying to GET compensation (scholarship) but during their time in high school they get nothing tangible.

 

The problem is jerk head coaches who think too highly of themselves. They are the ones who tell kids "if you go to such and such sport then you might as well not come back to ours". These coaches have to remember that their team is a part of another bigger team - the high school they represent. If an athlete plays a sport that means they are on two teams - the sport they are playing and the school they represent. But some coaches think that they are the only thing that matters.

 

I have seen some coaches get onto kids because they went on a family vacation during the summer and missed something. I have seen a basketball coach get onto their kids because they went to a summer baseball game instead of coming to open gym PRACTICE.

 

When a coach won't let a kid miss practice to actually participate in a game of another sport is ridiculous. You can still teach a kid about hard work and dedication if they play more than one sport and that is through being part of the school team concept. Also, you can teach them much more about scheduling time, talking to adults about scheduling time and other things like that.

 

There is no reason to get on here and say that this sport is at fault because they all are and I am a huge baseball guy (literally and figuratively). Let's remember these are kids and they will probably never play college sports - let them enjoy being young.