7 hours ago, Calico Jack said:

I mean, working HVAC would be an extreme example, unless that's a tie in with who they are hiring? However, OWNING your company would/could be different.

Doug Charles when he was at LCA wasn't in the building, nor is Oakley Watkins and to the best of my knowledge? None were in the building when Coach Charles was the HFC.

Ryan Johns at Union County, wasn't in the building his first few years (and, still may not be). He owned his own landscaping business if not mistaken, and still very well might (while now teaching?)

Stefan Lefors when he was at CAL was never in the building- owned his own business.

Todd Adler at Logan County (see Johns at Union). Pretty sure he's in the building/district now, but he wasn't early on.

Stephen Lickert at NewCath- if read(ing) correctly since leaving Campbell Co as HFC, didn't he remain teaching at Campbell and now has become a HS principal in Ohio this past year.

It is, however, important to note that the guys just mentioned? They weren't newbies to the program/community..except maybe Lefors? But he also had a lot of "name power". When he got named there, I doubt the kids/parents saw that and were thinking a certain scene in the beginning from Major League (the construction workers eating breakfast at the diner, reading the newly assembled roster). IYKYK ?

I'm not anti coach in the building/district, furthest thing from it, but what I am is that "recruit the halls" (in this day and age) is way overplayed. Does it mean you don't do it? No. Instead? "recruit the kids playing other sports who aren't in football".

In terms of straws that are going to help stir the drink? That's who you're after.

As for the one's you get from the "halls" who don't play anything? Every once in a while you find that needle in the haystack, but as to why you don't just quit doing that?

......Because some kids need football MORE than football needs them.

Now, THAT is THE victory(s).

LCA, CAL, NCC, all established programs and private schools. I am referencing just Scott. A program that needs stability and a face in the building to be seen, build relationships with kids, with staff, and admin. Many of those kids a person in the building who will go to bat for them and that normally is the football coach who they spend a decent amount of time with. 

1 hour ago, Buck2 said:

LCA, CAL, NCC, all established programs and private schools. I am referencing just Scott. A program that needs stability and a face in the building to be seen, build relationships with kids, with staff, and admin. Many of those kids a person in the building who will go to bat for them and that normally is the football coach who they spend a decent amount of time with. 

I agree that having a coach in the building is “best” 100%. However, if a candidate has a plan in place with a capable staff, some of which who are in the school, it can be done. Been proven at other schools that are not Catholic also.  
 

My point is that if part of the criteria is “we want a coach who will be in the building everyday 100%” that’s perfectly fine, nothing against that at all, however, don’t interview candidates that don’t meet your criteria. The days of “courtesy interviews” are long gone IMO. I don’t know if Perrin interviewed or not, assuming he did based upon several posts, just know that he’s an alum who was one of the best athletes to ever come out of Scott, currently the OC of a district champion and has deep ties in the community so he seemed like a qualified candidate and if someone else had better qualifications, so be it. But, as I stated, if the requirement was to be in the building, don’t waste either party’s time and only bring those that meet said requirements. 

What will be even more interesting than who gets this job will be who DOESN'T get the job out of the group of finalists. 

If they hire a current head coach, will leaving Perrin out alienate the community who adore their one time Eagle superstar? If they hire Perrin, and names surface of qualified current head coaches surface, will that anger some - especially if it's someone "in demand"? Are there names that were interested that might shock us that didn't get interviewed?

Whoever it is, I hope it's a home run hire for the Eagles and their program becomes the winner it should and can be!

1 hour ago, Buck2 said:

LCA, CAL, NCC, all established programs and private schools. I am referencing just Scott. A program that needs stability and a face in the building to be seen, build relationships with kids, with staff, and admin. Many of those kids a person in the building who will go to bat for them and that normally is the football coach who they spend a decent amount of time with. 

You're right, they were and are. Except CAL, when he got hired '09, '10 right in there.

Logan County was the furthest from established, riding almost a 50 game losing streak. After year one, the script got 180 flipped.

I'm not disputing any of that, I was just answering the original questions with examples that I knew of for sure that kind of fit the bill, while also acknowledging neither of them were exactly new to it.

Bottom line is this, though....if having a head coach in the building was the most important, or even close to being  the most important thing? There wouldn't be as many bad programs in the state that we have.  

Recently retired Louisville Male HC, Chris Wolfe, stated on @ChiefSmoke 's podcast that (paraphrasing) "...there are a lot more good football coaches in this state than there are programs." It's been like that for a while, but a guy with his clout? When he says it publicly, it then carries some weight. I'm glad he said it, too.

For Scott (and, MANY others like them)? Having one in the building just to be in the building because it sounds good is at the very bottom of the list "What's it going to take to get good?"

• New coach in the building? Cool. Give him in school weights all day, open to all student athletes with one class specifically being just football players in the fall.   On top of that? Be it 1st period/block or end of the day? Let said coach do whatever needs to be done.....if that means finishing up practice during 1st block in the AM after having started at 6:00 AM? So be it. If it's starting practice at 2:30 during 6th? So be it.
• Better yet? Hire somebody who just does In school S&C + hire the new HFC to do Homebound. Talk about being VISABLE and building those relationships early (teachers & students) and everywhere, plus coach having the flexbility to still be involved with that 1st or last block football? That's a win across the board.
• Open enrollment within Kenton County doesn't help. Up until this point? Scott is a distant 3rd fiddle to Dixie and Simon Kenton, throw in the fact you've got Independent districts of Lloyd, Beechwood, even Ludlow? You get where I'm going with this.

As the saying goes, "Drastic Change requires Drastic Measures".  

Don't get me started on how all of the school's playing for GHSAA State Titles (and, countless others that didn't make it) operate their football/athletics programs & what they all do for student athletes and coaches, alike.   The righteous, academia high horses on here couldn't handle it.  They really couldn't handle it knowing how high performing their schools are as well, on not just a state, but national level. 

...and, the same can be said for school's/programs in our own state like Boyle County, Corbin, Bowling Green, etc.

This could be misinformation but I heard Scott can't announce anyone until February 1st 

10 minutes ago, Hydration-coach83 said:

This could be misinformation but I heard Scott can't announce anyone until February 1st 

This is technically a KDE rule. According to the KDE, no school is permitted to announce or appoint hires for the next school year until after Feb 1. If it works out that there is a job immediately, that's different, but, according to policy, a Football Coach is a "next year" hire. Lots of schools ignore this, obviously, but those are the rules.

22 minutes ago, Calico Jack said:

You're right, they were and are. Except CAL, when he got hired '09, '10 right in there.

Logan County was the furthest from established, riding almost a 50 game losing streak. After year one, the script got 180 flipped.

I'm not disputing any of that, I was just answering the original questions with examples that I knew of for sure that kind of fit the bill, while also acknowledging neither of them were exactly new to it.

Bottom line is this, though....if having a head coach in the building was the most important, or even close to being  the most important thing? There wouldn't be as many bad programs in the state that we have.  

Recently retired Louisville Male HC, Chris Wolfe, stated on @ChiefSmoke 's podcast that (paraphrasing) "...there are a lot more good football coaches in this state than there are programs." It's been like that for a while, but a guy with his clout? When he says it publicly, it then carries some weight. I'm glad he said it, too.

For Scott (and, MANY others like them)? Having one in the building just to be in the building because it sounds good is at the very bottom of the list "What's it going to take to get good?"

• New coach in the building? Cool. Give him in school weights all day, open to all student athletes with one class specifically being just football players in the fall.   On top of that? Be it 1st period/block or end of the day? Let said coach do whatever needs to be done.....if that means finishing up practice during 1st block in the AM after having started at 6:00 AM? So be it. If it's starting practice at 2:30 during 6th? So be it.
• Better yet? Hire somebody who just does In school S&C + hire the new HFC to do Homebound. Talk about being VISABLE and building those relationships early (teachers & students) and everywhere, plus coach having the flexbility to still be involved with that 1st or last block football? That's a win across the board.
• Open enrollment within Kenton County doesn't help. Up until this point? Scott is a distant 3rd fiddle to Dixie and Simon Kenton, throw in the fact you've got Independent districts of Lloyd, Beechwood, even Ludlow? You get where I'm going with this.

As the saying goes, "Drastic Change requires Drastic Measures".  

Don't get me started on how all of the school's playing for GHSAA State Titles (and, countless others that didn't make it) operate their football/athletics programs & what they all do for student athletes and coaches, alike.   The righteous, academia high horses on here couldn't handle it.  They really couldn't handle it knowing how high performing their schools are as well, on not just a state, but national level. 

...and, the same can be said for school's/programs in our own state like Boyle County, Corbin, Bowling Green, etc.

ALL THIS….?Drop

22 minutes ago, Calico Jack said:

You're right, they were and are. Except CAL, when he got hired '09, '10 right in there.

Logan County was the furthest from established, riding almost a 50 game losing streak. After year one, the script got 180 flipped.

I'm not disputing any of that, I was just answering the original questions with examples that I knew of for sure that kind of fit the bill, while also acknowledging neither of them were exactly new to it.

Bottom line is this, though....if having a head coach in the building was the most important, or even close to being  the most important thing? There wouldn't be as many bad programs in the state that we have.  

Recently retired Louisville Male HC, Chris Wolfe, stated on @ChiefSmoke 's podcast that (paraphrasing) "...there are a lot more good football coaches in this state than there are programs." It's been like that for a while, but a guy with his clout? When he says it publicly, it then carries some weight. I'm glad he said it, too.

For Scott (and, MANY others like them)? Having one in the building just to be in the building because it sounds good is at the very bottom of the list "What's it going to take to get good?"

• New coach in the building? Cool. Give him in school weights all day, open to all student athletes with one class specifically being just football players in the fall.   On top of that? Be it 1st period/block or end of the day? Let said coach do whatever needs to be done.....if that means finishing up practice during 1st block in the AM after having started at 6:00 AM? So be it. If it's starting practice at 2:30 during 6th? So be it.
• Better yet? Hire somebody who just does In school S&C + hire the new HFC to do Homebound. Talk about being VISABLE and building those relationships early (teachers & students) and everywhere, plus coach having the flexbility to still be involved with that 1st or last block football? That's a win across the board.
• Open enrollment within Kenton County doesn't help. Up until this point? Scott is a distant 3rd fiddle to Dixie and Simon Kenton, throw in the fact you've got Independent districts of Lloyd, Beechwood, even Ludlow? You get where I'm going with this.

As the saying goes, "Drastic Change requires Drastic Measures".  

Don't get me started on how all of the school's playing for GHSAA State Titles (and, countless others that didn't make it) operate their football/athletics programs & what they all do for student athletes and coaches, alike.   The righteous, academia high horses on here couldn't handle it.  They really couldn't handle it knowing how high performing their schools are as well, on not just a state, but national level. 

...and, the same can be said for school's/programs in our own state like Boyle County, Corbin, Bowling Green, etc.

Scott is in a 3 High School district. And Central Office is not interested in sports. All 3 schools suffer from this. All of what you outlined is great, if the super of a 1 school district is generous. But not a chance of 90% of this happening in a district like Kenton, Boone, Fayette, Jefferson. Those are pipe dreams, and that's why public schools lag behind privates in most sports

14 minutes ago, Hydration-coach83 said:

This could be misinformation but I heard Scott can't announce anyone until February 1st 

Will be announced today or tomorrow so yes that's misinformation. All good. 

14 minutes ago, Hydration-coach83 said:

This could be misinformation but I heard Scott can't announce anyone until February 1st 

If that's the case (not debating if it's a rule or not per KDE) and abiding by it, especially with the coaching position being a classified/extra service position?

....the defense rests its case, your honor. 

2 minutes ago, DiamondGator23 said:

Will be announced today or tomorrow so yes that's misinformation. All good. 

The information I have says this is nowhere near the case, absolutely no announcement forthcoming. Will be interested to see whose source is right. 

4 minutes ago, Pi said:

Scott is in a 3 High School district. And Central Office is not interested in sports. All 3 schools suffer from this. All of what you outlined is great, if the super of a 1 school district is generous. But not a chance of 90% of this happening in a district like Kenton, Boone, Fayette, Jefferson. Those are pipe dreams, and that's why public schools lag behind privates in most sports

Bingo.

But, even behind Independents and some single "county" school's.

However, all multiple high school district's operate in some of the ways mentioned above.

Scott County/Great Crossing, Pulaski County/Southwestern, Pike County (Belfry most notably), Warren County, Nelson County, etc.

At the end of the day? If it's not important to the decision makers at the top? Banging your head against a wall, and a wall, that ironically...has a 3-5 year shelf life at max for all of the coaches who have attempted to knock it down. Revolving doors. See Scott? See MANY others.

Football/Athletic Programs vs Football/Athletic Teams. Big difference and the pendulum swinnnnnngs heavily in the direction of "Teams" in our state. 

10 minutes ago, Pi said:

The information I have says this is nowhere near the case, absolutely no announcement forthcoming. Will be interested to see whose source is right. 

I can tell you seem to be the guy that likes to be "right" or the "I told ya guy" so if I'm wrong so be it, but alright we'll see ?

Decision has been made and will be announced before the winter break. If the KDE mattered, 95% of the hires made would be in violation.

32 minutes ago, DiamondGator23 said:

Will be announced today or tomorrow so yes that's misinformation. All good. 

I hope you right, I'm excited to see what comes out and who is announced as the next HC