22 minutes ago, oldgrappler said:

@ColonelMike Thanks for the perspective.  At least for Baker Mayfield, it is his non-throwing shoulder.  

That's right.....for some reason I was thinking it was his throwing shoulder.     

It's not a bad surgery at all - it's just that it's very difficult to recover the skills on the repaired shoulder.

Good news for him.....my Colts fan son isn't real keep on Mayfield, but I think he would work out pretty well for the Colts.     But I also think Garrapolo is a little under-appreciated as well.  

Probably a coin-flip in my book.  

12 hours ago, CincySportsFan said:

If you're the Colts, which QB do you prefer...Jimmy G or Mayfield? Both are coming off of surgery.

I think Mayfield for a couple of reasons.  He's younger by 4 years and his shoulder surgery is on his non-throwing arm whereas Garoppolo's surgery is on his right shoulder, which is his throwing shoulder.  He won't be able to throw until late June.  And then you have to hope everything goes right for him to be able to begin the season.  

Someone mentioned Mayfield's TD to INT ratio.  One of the main reasons he was drafted is because of his accuracy (along with his fire).  He had one of the best rookie seasons in NFL history.  Officially, he had 27 TDs and 14 INTs.  But midway in his rookie season, Hue Jackson was fired and Kenny Kitchens was calling plays and there was magic between the two of them for the latter part of that season, and Mayfield's production went up.  Then, Kitchens was promoted to HC, which was over his head.  He did not retain Ken Zampese as QB coach.  Zampese was a key reason for Mayfield's success.  Ryan Lindley took over as QB coach and didn't seem up for the job.  2019 was an horrendous year, but Kenny Kitchens should get a lot of that blame.  The stout line he had in 2018 also was shaken up with Zeitler being traded and his replacement was not stellar.  Beckham and Landry both played with injuries the entire season, WR Higgins was lost early in the season due to injuries and TE Njoku was injured in week two.  2020 was a new coach and the Browns went 11-5, nearly made the AFC Championship game, and Mayfield threw 26 TDs with only 8 INTs.  When the front office and coaching sides of the ball are not in turmoil, and when he is healthy, Mayfield is a top 15 QB with a lot of competitive fire and accurate throwing arm.  People see the bad with Mayfield but do not understand all that surrounded it.  I still see the potential and that is why I would prefer Mayfield over Garoppolo and I prefer Mayfield over Watson with all his baggage.  

The Colts got Matty Ice from the Falcons, who then turned around and signed Marcus Mariota.  I think Seattle is still in the market for a QB, that may be what is left for Baker.

Carolina?  

1 hour ago, oldgrappler said:

Carolina?  

I'm not sold that Carolina is ready to give up on Darnold just yet.  He was busted up last season, so I don't think they know what they have yet.

From a purely entertainment standpoint, I'd love to see him go to Arizona just for the drama.

15 minutes ago, CincySportsFan said:

From a purely entertainment standpoint, I'd love to see him go to Arizona just for the drama.

Can't go wrong with this answer! 

Mayfield is quickly learning his value. 

Can I assume that we won't be seeing any more Baker Mayfield Progressive commercials?

9 minutes ago, nkypete said:

Can I assume that we won't be seeing any more Baker Mayfield Progressive commercials?

Did he move out of the stadium? 

2 hours ago, ChickenWyngz said:

Did he move out of the stadium? 

If he doesn't, the commute to his new destination could be a bit difficult and expensive.

23 hours ago, ChickenWyngz said:

Did he move out of the stadium? 

You've got to see this cartoon at Cleveland.com:

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2022/03/browns-mayfield-is-virtually-last-qb-standing-after-trade-flurry-crowquill.html

On 3/22/2022 at 7:27 AM, TheDeuce said:

Mayfield is quickly learning his value. 

I am the furthest thing from a Baker fan, but his precipitous decline doesn't fully compute with me. I am not saying he is a world beater, but you can't dismiss his solid rookie year, in his third year played really well (without Odell) and had them in position to win two playoff games, and last year was injured. There are some bad QBs that see much more action than Baker, yet some are making him out to be no better than a backup... Which that might be where he starts out next year. My theory is people see Baker as a guy that needs everything to be right for him to succeed. Not a franchise lifter.

On 3/22/2022 at 8:01 AM, CincySportsFan said:

From a purely entertainment standpoint, I'd love to see him go to Arizona just for the drama.

Rooting for chaos is always a great option! Could also light a fire under Murray and get him to take a step to the next level. 

13 hours ago, bugatti said:

I am the furthest thing from a Baker fan, but his precipitous decline doesn't fully compute with me. I am not saying he is a world beater, but you can't dismiss his solid rookie year, in his third year played really well (without Odell) and had them in position to win two playoff games, and last year was injured. There are some bad QBs that see much more action than Baker, yet some are making him out to be no better than a backup... Which that might be where he starts out next year. My theory is people see Baker as a guy that needs everything to be right for him to succeed. Not a franchise lifter.

I think so many people forget how honestly great he was as a rookie. A rookie who took over a team that won 1 game in two years and he ended up winning them games and looking great. He didn’t have much around him that year and did great. Which they were more of a spread team that year, which fits him. 
 

Now the last few years he has had a lot of talent around him. However, he also has been under center much more which doesn’t fit his skill set the best. Which as you mentioned he still had a good year two years ago and even won a playoff game when his head coach wasn’t even able to be there. Then last year tried to play through an injury all year. 
 

So I do agree that I think he is better than a lot of people give him credit for. Which I don’t know how true it is, but I seen on twitter that  the Steelers are a team that could be interested if he gets cut. I honestly hope that doesn’t happen, because I think that would be a good fit for him and the Steelers.