October 16, 200619 yr Seriously... As far as the Roughing the Passer call... I can see how you guys could view it as a bad call the way it happened. However, if Simeon Rice drove Carson's head into the ground like that, Bengal Nation would be all up in arms if it wasn't called. There is no way you can make me believe otherwise. As a Buc fan, the ref made the correct call. Some of you have a problem with the reversal on the touchdown. The guys in the booth called for the reversal before the refs announced the play was under review. They saw how Clayton caught the ball, planted his feet, and extended the ball with two hands over the goal line (a football move) before the ground forced it to pop out. I like Pewter Pirates better than Bengal Tigers, so I like the reversal. The Official Ruling Sorry guys, but I'm a happy man right at this moment. :banana: :dancingpa I agree with you that the TD call was correct because it was. But of course the ref made the right call on the SACK if you are a Buc fan. But I bet you would be singing a different tune had Simeon Rice SACKED Palmer in the same way and got flagged for it. And if getting your head slammed into the ground is unneccesary roughness or roughing the passer then the NFL might as well start playing two hand touch because that happens on darn near every tackle. And no Bengal Nation would not be up in arms because it would not make a difference. If he slammed his head into the ground on the tackle and the QB still had the ball, then it is a legitimate sack and not roughing the passer. That makes two unneccesary roughness penalties on the Bengals that were bad calls (Kaesviharn's annihilation of the Pats receiver two weeks ago). That article is kind of funny because it just made me madder because of how they explained the call and how they came to the conclusion that it was roughing the passer and they are protecting the safety of the quarterback. If protecting the safety of the quarterback involves not letting him get sacked then you might as well get rid of defensive lines and give the quarterback a red jersey to wear.
October 16, 200619 yr I agree with you that the TD call was correct because it was. But of course the ref made the right call on the SACK if you are a Buc fan. But I bet you would be singing a different tune had Simeon Rice SACKED Palmer in the same way and got flagged for it. And if getting your head slammed into the ground is unneccesary roughness or roughing the passer then the NFL might as well start playing two hand touch because that happens on darn near every tackle. And no Bengal Nation would not be up in arms because it would not make a difference. If he slammed his head into the ground on the tackle and the QB still had the ball, then it is a legitimate sack and not roughing the passer. That makes two unneccesary roughness penalties on the Bengals that were bad calls (Kaesviharn's annihilation of the Pats receiver two weeks ago). That article is kind of funny because it just made me madder because of how they explained the call and how they came to the conclusion that it was roughing the passer and they are protecting the safety of the quarterback. If protecting the safety of the quarterback involves not letting him get sacked then you might as well get rid of defensive lines and give the quarterback a red jersey to wear.I have no problem putting the shoe on the other hand. If the same thing happened in reverse, I guarentee the reaction in Bucland would mirror the comments here. No doubt. I also think had the flag not been thrown, the fans in Buccaneer Cove would be in a tizzy right now. (Of course the residents of One Buc Place have been going through quarterbacks like poop through a goose recently.) "Arrrrrr Matey. We'll make the striped ones walk the plank off that there Pirate Ship docked in the end zone. Arrrrr. And get them tigers out of here. Do they think this be Noah's Ark? Arrrrrr." The great part about a hypothetical is we may never know whether I'm right or not. :banana:
October 16, 200619 yr Watch the replay again, THE DEFENDER did not drive his head into the ground head first, you can see the QB kind of just curl up and put his head down while he was going to the ground. If he didn't do that he would have never hit his head... Either way it did look like his head was being drove into the ground. I'm not saying I agree with the call you just have to be a ref. and see it at fast pace. It's the roughing the passer call that got me, I guess if they had said it was a personal foul driving the QB head into the ground I would have understood the call. Either way it didn't look right and that's why it was called but I feel like it was just a sack on the QB nothing more.
October 16, 200619 yr The roughing the passer call WAS the game, plain and simple. On the NFL network (radio) this morning, it was actually the "lead" story, with both commentators saying exactly that. They could not believe the call, and said that it CLEARLY cost the Bengals the game. As for the decision to kick the 62 yarder... I think it was hands down the best decision. I have personally seen Grahm kick them that length, and though not a high percentage kick, imo, a much higher percentage of making it over a hail mary pass to the endzone.
October 16, 200619 yr Hey, I think it was a tough call, about the tackle on the Buc's QB. but the over turned call was correct! The only call in the history of the NFL WORSE than that one was in last years SB, when Hassleback got 15 yards for making a tackle.
October 16, 200619 yr I have no problem putting the shoe on the other hand. If the same thing happened in reverse, I guarentee the reaction in Bucland would mirror the comments here. No doubt. I also think had the flag not been thrown, the fans in Buccaneer Cove would be in a tizzy right now. (Of course the residents of One Buc Place have been going through quarterbacks like poop through a goose recently.) "Arrrrrr Matey. We'll make the striped ones walk the plank off that there Pirate Ship docked in the end zone. Arrrrr. And get them tigers out of here. Do they think this be Noah's Ark? Arrrrrr." The great part about a hypothetical is we may never know whether I'm right or not. :banana: Had there been no penalty noone would have cared. That call was flat awful and you're wearing anti-bengal glasses if you think otherwise.
October 16, 200619 yr Didn't Graham kick a 47 yarder in the 4th that went over the entire goal post and hit halfway up the net? It went 62 yards if I saw it right..... I'm sure it did go 62 yards. The fact is that Graham kicked that one as a 47 yarder. Ideally, he would have kicked the 62 yarder the same and the Bengals would've won. Going out there kicking a 62 yarder probably sounds alot harder to Graham (or any kicker) so you think you have to put 15 more yards of leg into it. It's all mental and that's why I've got alot of respect for kickers.
October 16, 200619 yr Nobody has said anything about Joseph tipping that pass with two Bengals waiting right behind him for the ball? That could have been the turning play...
October 16, 200619 yr With Thurman, Braham, Jackson, Henry, Perry, Perry, Simmons, and Pollack then they would have killed them. That's how the NFL works and you have to adjust, but that's a lot of guys out so losing to Tampa(on a bad call) was still a little shocking, but I thought it would be a close game. Don't forget about losing Levi. It's hard to run an offense with half your starters missing.
October 16, 200619 yr http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5587 TAMPA, Fla. - And now it looks like they may not have left tackle Levi Jones for awhile. Such was the locker-room speculation Sunday after Jones left late in the first half with a left knee injury that has become the latest obstacle in the Bengals’ effort to rediscover one of the NFL’s best offenses. There was no sign of it here at Raymond James Stadium in a dreadful 14-13 loss to the winless Bucs, meaning that the 26 points the Bengals have scored in the last two games is their lowest two-game total since Games 3 and 4 of the Carson Palmer era.
October 16, 200619 yr Nobody has said anything about Joseph tipping that pass with two Bengals waiting right behind him for the ball? That could have been the turning play... He had 2 really easy ones that he missed.
October 16, 200619 yr He had 2 really easy ones that he missed. I don't think there was any chance for Joseph to catch the one I was referring to, but he tipped it to where O'Neal couldn't make the easiest INT of his life.
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