I find it incredibly troubling that anyone would vote for either Hillary or Trump.

 

But that's what makes our country so great, people have the right to vote for whomever they choose, and we generally get what we deserve as a result.

 

Word up!!

How so? Reagan's time in the office actually has true incidents of lies, crime and corruption. His time has true convictions of people in his administration. His 8 years is marred by controversy and there is proof he risked our national security and lied about it. Why is he continually given pass after pass after pass but yet Hillary supporters are said to be living with blinders on when in all actuality she hasn't been convicted of anything and has only been investigated? It seems at worst she and some of her staff mishandled emails and the practice they engaged in still pales in comparison to what the George W. Bush staff did with their emails. How did she risk our national security? What exactly did she do?

 

Reagan has nothing to do with it.

 

Going by you're logic we can't discuss anyone's corruption because other people are corrupt.

 

Hillary is "only being investigated" by the FBI, who already determined she was at the very least extremely careless. At what point did it become nothing at all that a candidate for President is "only being investigated" by the FBI? :lol2:

 

All while people lose their minds over a tape of Trump joking from 11 years ago.

Reagan has nothing to do with it.

 

Going by you're logic we can't discuss anyone's corruption because other people are corrupt.

 

Hillary is "only being investigated" by the FBI, who already determined she was at the very least extremely careless. At what point did it become nothing at all that a candidate for President is "only being investigated" by the FBI? :lol2:

 

All while people lose their minds over a tape of Trump joking from 11 years ago.

 

No.

 

As I stated I don't understand why the same people who still hail Ronald Reagan as one of the greatest presidents of their lifetime look over his proven corruption and disregard Hillary for lack of proven corruption. Seems like a double standard at play here. I also find it ironic that as soon as something happens with a cop and an unarmed black male dying you want to wait for the facts to come out but with Hillary we are still waiting for facts but yet you deem her as corrupt. Another double standard.

 

Hmmmm. Joking on a tape from 11 years ago. Interesting. I am assuming we are back to waiting for the facts to come out on that one, huh? He'll be on trial soon for those jokes so I guess we'll see since he is the other candidate for POTUS that is or will be under investigation soon enough.

 

Now again, can you tell me exactly what Hillary did to risk national security or is that under investigation still?

 

Hillary and Bill both have proven corruption but everyone wants to talk about some stupid emails that don't even touch the truth depths of their known corruption.

I find it incredibly troubling that anyone would vote for either Hillary or Trump.

 

But that's what makes our country so great, people have the right to vote for whomever they choose, and we generally get what we deserve as a result.

 

My guess is 80% of the electorate wishes we had a better choice than Hillary or Trump. I really wanted to vote for Gary Johnson but he is just as flawed in his way as they are. Trump and Hillary are the choices before me and I will vote for one of them.

My guess is 80% of the electorate wishes we had a better choice than Hillary or Trump. I really wanted to vote for Gary Johnson but he is just as flawed in his way as they are. Trump and Hillary are the choices before me and I will vote for one of them.

 

That's your right. I simply question the logic of it (or IMO, lack there of).

No.

 

As I stated I don't understand why the same people who still hail Ronald Reagan as one of the greatest presidents of their lifetime look over his proven corruption and disregard Hillary for lack of proven corruption. Seems like a double standard at play here. I also find it ironic that as soon as something happens with a cop and an unarmed black male dying you want to wait for the facts to come out but with Hillary we are still waiting for facts but yet you deem her as corrupt. Another double standard.

 

Hmmmm. Joking on a tape from 11 years ago. Interesting. I am assuming we are back to waiting for the facts to come out on that one, huh? He'll be on trial soon for those jokes so I guess we'll see since he is the other candidate for POTUS that is or will be under investigation soon enough.

 

Now again, can you tell me exactly what Hillary did to risk national security or is that under investigation still?

 

Hillary and Bill both have proven corruption but everyone wants to talk about some stupid emails that don't even touch the truth depths of their known corruption.

 

I don't know why you keep mentioning Reagan. If I brought him into the conversation as a comparison, Id understand. I didn't. I didn't claim he's the best President ever. I never have.

 

The facts about Hillary have been given to us regarding the first investigation into her emails. You can read about them here.

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

 

Yes, I prefer not to indict police immediately after shootings, because as we have seen in many cases, things are not always what they seem in those cases. I will also admit when I believe an officer is wrong after those facts come out (like in the University of Cincinnati case). There were a couple others I remember right off, but I don't need to name them here.

 

Why would Trump go on trial for jokes? You think he's going to be charged with a crime for what he said? I'm confused. He's not under investigation right now, especially be the FBI. You are speculating that he will be with no evidence to support your claim.

 

As for our national security...

 

FBI Director Comey said...

 

“We assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal email account,”

 

If you believe she did nothing wrong with her emails, why on earth were thousands of emails deleted after a subpoena was served to preserve them, and why were devices often destroyed with hammers by her staff?

 

Hillary's email scandal isn't her only scandal, it's just one of many that we are discussing now because it's in the news. I do think it's an important reason not to vote for her.

I don't know why you keep mentioning Reagan. If I brought him into the conversation as a comparison, Id understand. I didn't. I didn't claim he's the best President ever. I never have.

 

The facts about Hillary have been given to us regarding the first investigation into her emails. You can read about them here.

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

 

Yes, I prefer not to indict police immediately after shootings, because as we have seen in many cases, things are not always what they seem in those cases. I will also admit when I believe an officer is wrong after those facts come out (like in the University of Cincinnati case). There were a couple others I remember right off, but I don't need to name them here.

 

Why would Trump go on trial for jokes? You think he's going to be charged with a crime for what he said? I'm confused. He's not under investigation right now, especially be the FBI. You are speculating that he will be with no evidence to support your claim.

 

As for our national security...

 

FBI Director Comey said...

 

“We assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal email account,”

 

If you believe she did nothing wrong with her emails, why on earth were thousands of emails deleted after a subpoena was served to preserve them, and why were devices often destroyed with hammers by her staff?

 

Hillary's email scandal isn't her only scandal, it's just one of many that we are discussing now because it's in the news. I do think it's an important reason not to vote for her.

Fair enough. I think the true corruption she and Bill engaged in during the 1990s is enough to not vote for her. I wasn't talking about anything you said when I brought up Reagan. I was speaking specifically on how many people(not necessarily you) speak on Reagan being the GOAT of POTUSes but dismiss Hillary for the same reasons that you do. To me that is ironic. I could care less what she did with her emails. Her emails aren't why I think she is a dirty, filthy human being. I'm just surprised that with some of the proven things about Hillary that people seem focused on the emails. It doesn't make sense to me. Let's all act like the only way hackers can get sensitive, classified information is by people being careless with their email severs.

 

I never said Trump will be investigated by the FBI. Trump will possibly be due in civil court over his allegations of sexual assault. I'm sure he'll settle just like he did in racial discrimination lawsuits and Trump supporters will say this proves he didn't sexually assault anyone just like they say he isn't a racist even though he settled those out of court and promised never to do it again. You've already said it was just jokes anyways.

I look forward to Nate Silver's daily updates as Hillary's chances plummet. It is going to be tough for him to get out of bed and go to work as new poll numbers pour in.

 

Trump can't get past 266, Dino. He can't win. Even if he wins all purple states(which he won't), name me a "blue" state he's going to take away. You can't . The game is over.

All while people lose their minds over a tape of Trump joking from 11 years ago.

 

The majority, if not all, of the people who are saying "no way" to Trump said so prior to the release of the tapes.

Trump can't get past 266, Dino. He can't win. Even if he wins all purple states(which he won't), name me a "blue" state he's going to take away. You can't . The game is over.

 

If he can win Nevada, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina I think he gets there.

 

Of course the odds of that happening are very low. North Carolina is probably the biggest hurdle for Trump.

 

Actually, I just redid the math. He gets to the 266 in that scenario. He'd have to flip Colorado, New Hampshire, or Pennsylvania, and I don't see any of those happening.

If he can win Nevada, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina I think he gets there.

 

Of course the odds of that happening are very low. North Carolina is probably the biggest hurdle for Trump.

 

Actually, I just redid the math. He gets to the 266 in that scenario. He'd have to flip Colorado, New Hampshire, or Pennsylvania, and I don't see any of those happening.

 

You are correct, sir. I give him an outside chance of getting to 266(a long-shot) , but he won't flip any of those other three.

That's saying he keeps telling states that Romney won...isn't he still in danger of losing Utah?

75.6% Chance of a Clinton Win

24.4% Chance of a Trump Win

 

1 in 4 chance for Trump now

as of latest update

75.6% Chance of a Clinton Win

24.4% Chance of a Trump Win

 

1 in 4 chance for Trump now

as of latest update

 

PA, Colorado, or New Hampshire. Assuming he wins every contested state(the purples), he MUST have one of those three. The Trump team seems to think they can flip Colorado. I just don't see it !!!

Fair enough. I think the true corruption she and Bill engaged in during the 1990s is enough to not vote for her. I wasn't talking about anything you said when I brought up Reagan. I was speaking specifically on how many people(not necessarily you) speak on Reagan being the GOAT of POTUSes but dismiss Hillary for the same reasons that you do. To me that is ironic. I could care less what she did with her emails. Her emails aren't why I think she is a dirty, filthy human being. I'm just surprised that with some of the proven things about Hillary that people seem focused on the emails. It doesn't make sense to me. Let's all act like the only way hackers can get sensitive, classified information is by people being careless with their email severs.

 

I never said Trump will be investigated by the FBI. Trump will possibly be due in civil court over his allegations of sexual assault. I'm sure he'll settle just like he did in racial discrimination lawsuits and Trump supporters will say this proves he didn't sexually assault anyone just like they say he isn't a racist even though he settled those out of court and promised never to do it again. You've already said it was just jokes anyways.

 

Unlike you PP92, many to most Dems don't care that Hillary is a corrupt, nasty human being. They are going to toe the party line and vote for her, simply because of the D beside her name.

 

I applaud you for actually voting your conscience and not the party line. :thumb: