I am very aware of the above bolded statement. I have read your posts.

 

My vote will be for the candidate and party that I most align with. I think that we need to at the very least get a grip on the immigration problems. I also will never vote for either your candidate or the Democratic party based on the social issues as it goes against my Christian faith.( which Trump still may not get my vote based on that). Somethings I will not bend on.

 

So....no HRC because you hate her, no Johnson or any other third party because they have no chance of winning. But Trump might not get your vote either, depending on how he aligns with your beliefs. Who exactly does that leave you with to vote for?? I guess no vote is an option, but wouldn't you consider that "ignorant" as an uncast vote likely helps out Hillary?

 

Bottom line vote for whoever you want (or not vote at all), but, don't call people ignorant for not agreeing with you or wanting to vote for someone else of their choosing.

Edited May 6, 201610 yr by rjs4470

The concerns that Trump's supporters embody are real. Their cause is legitimate.

 

Trump, however, is a phony.

 

This has been my view on the whole Trump phenomenon. It's a shame that the Republicans/U.S.A. do not have a better person to champion these causes. Trump filled a gaping void but I just wish it had been someone more qualified. When he first announced I thought he'd be around for about 6 weeks but right now I would not write him off by any means. He has struck a nerve.

Your friends are not true Republicans. Just sayin. Not that I dont believe they do not like Trump, but no true Rep would ever vote for Hillary.

 

I'm sure that they put as much stock in your opinion about them as I do. :lol2:

That's just ignorant.

 

You really don't see how ignorant that is? That's like me saying no true Christian would vote for either Hillary or Trump. So you're not a true a Christian. Pretty ignorant right?

 

There are many very conservative people out there that won't vote for Trump because he's sexist and wants to discriminate against an entire group of people based solely on their religion. And he's a bully. As soon as someone disagrees with him, he launches into insults. How Presidential of him...

 

The whole labels of Republican and Democrat are stupid. Why does anyone need to be labeled? I'm glad I'm neither. I'm capable of forming my own opinions, thinking for myself, and not being some mindless lemming who simply pulls the lever for a candidate based solely on political party.

THIS is why:

 

Your pretend concern for the party you dislike is amusing.

 

LOVE THIS!!

What's so "scary" about trump?

 

He's not racist. Or sexist. Or any of these labels people have given him. What he is is NOT politically correct. Some people have that confused with racism/sexism etc.

 

Personally I think it's time to let someone else try and run our government besides a career politician. Seriously, it could not be done any worse then it currently is. The power of the federal government is staggering...the spending is beyond out of control and wasteful. Maybe someone with a business background can, ya know, actually run our country in a way that MAKES money instead of continuing to hand it out.

You radical!! How DARE you bring common sense to this discussion!!?

THIS is why:

 

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Thats incredibly stupid if you were wondering....

Edited May 7, 201610 yr by UKMustangFan

Just my opinion.

 

Voting your conscience is never a wasted vote.

 

NEVER.

Another take from George Will.

 

Who will follow Trump off the cliff? - The Washington Post

 

Now, regarding realities: In 2012, 93 percent of self-described Republicans who voted did so for Mitt Romney. Trump probably cannot receive 80 percent of what probably will be, because of discouragement and revulsion, a smaller Republican turnout. Romney lost 73 percent of the Hispanic vote; Trump is viewed unfavorably by 82­ percent of Hispanics and very unfavorably by 62 percent. Trump probably will receive significantly less than Romney’s ruinous 27 percent of this vote. And because of demographic trends and Trump’s motivating policies and insults, Hispanic turnout probably will be significantly larger than in 2012, as the white percentage of the electorate continues to shrink. Romney won just 37 percent of young voters (18-29); Trump is unlikely even to match this.

Although Romney won 53­ percent of married women, he received just 44 percent of the total female vote. Today, Trump trails Hillary Clinton among women by 19 points (35 percent to 54 percent)

 

In receiving, so far, the support of 4.7 percent of America’s eligible voters, Trump has won a mere plurality of votes in a party approved by only 33 percent of the electorate. This electorate had about 5 percent more Democrats than Republicans even before Trump further tarnished the GOP brand. So, Republicans need to carry independents by more than Romney’s five points. Even in states that have voted Republican since 2000, Trump is viewed unfavorably by 62 percent and strongly unfavorably by 52 percent.

Another take from George Will.

 

Who will follow Trump off the cliff? - The Washington Post

 

Now, regarding realities: In 2012, 93 percent of self-described Republicans who voted did so for Mitt Romney. Trump probably cannot receive 80 percent of what probably will be, because of discouragement and revulsion, a smaller Republican turnout. Romney lost 73 percent of the Hispanic vote; Trump is viewed unfavorably by 82­ percent of Hispanics and very unfavorably by 62 percent. Trump probably will receive significantly less than Romney’s ruinous 27 percent of this vote. And because of demographic trends and Trump’s motivating policies and insults, Hispanic turnout probably will be significantly larger than in 2012, as the white percentage of the electorate continues to shrink. Romney won just 37 percent of young voters (18-29); Trump is unlikely even to match this.

Although Romney won 53­ percent of married women, he received just 44 percent of the total female vote. Today, Trump trails Hillary Clinton among women by 19 points (35 percent to 54 percent)

 

In receiving, so far, the support of 4.7 percent of America’s eligible voters, Trump has won a mere plurality of votes in a party approved by only 33 percent of the electorate. This electorate had about 5 percent more Democrats than Republicans even before Trump further tarnished the GOP brand. So, Republicans need to carry independents by more than Romney’s five points. Even in states that have voted Republican since 2000, Trump is viewed unfavorably by 62 percent and strongly unfavorably by 52 percent.

 

Will brings up very valid points BUT ignores many others. It is true that Trump did not get a majority of the votes in the beginning...because he was dealing with 10-16 other candidates! Once it was whittled down to 3 he got over 50% in the last 7 states and more than 60% in some. His unfavorably number is very big (as is HRC's), the key will be which one of them can get that down somewhat before November.

Will brings up the percentages Romney won in various voting blocs. He fails to say that Trump will bring in MANY more dems than Romney did and will bring in WAY more than Cruz could have. Trump received more votes than any other R candidate in the primaries...ever...and by a lot. This is because he brought out an excitement in the Party not seen in a long time.

I don't know if Trump will win in November or not. What I don't like is R elite folks trying to bring him down so they can say they are right later. He will face enough negativity from the Dems. He should not have to face it from the R party IMO...especially from the elite clowns that are only trying to save their backsides and remain relevant because they are scared of Trump not needing them.

Will brings up very valid points BUT ignores many others. It is true that Trump did not get a majority of the votes in the beginning...because he was dealing with 10-16 other candidates! Once it was whittled down to 3 he got over 50% in the last 7 states and more than 60% in some. His unfavorably number is very big (as is HRC's), the key will be which one of them can get that down somewhat before November.

Will brings up the percentages Romney won in various voting blocs. He fails to say that Trump will bring in MANY more dems than Romney did and will bring in WAY more than Cruz could have. Trump received more votes than any other R candidate in the primaries...ever...and by a lot. This is because he brought out an excitement in the Party not seen in a long time.

I don't know if Trump will win in November or not. What I don't like is R elite folks trying to bring him down so they can say they are right later. He will face enough negativity from the Dems. He should not have to face it from the R party IMO...especially from the elite clowns that are only trying to save their backsides and remain relevant because they are scared of Trump not needing them.

 

A few things to keep in mind about Trump being the highest GOP primary votes ever. First more people are voting in primaries than ever....population continues to grow, and is more than double what it was in the 1950's. Also, primaries have become a bigger and bigger part of the election process, which has lead to greater participation. Another key point, is that typically, the nomination gets locked up fairly early, which leads to less participation in the later primaries. The fact that the nomination still hasn't (officially) been locked up, has led to many more people voting. However, the key point in all of this, is despite the fact that Trump will likely end up with the highest vote total ever, he will also likely end up as the nominee with the lowest percentage of votes won in the history of the primary system.

 

When you really dig a little into the numbers, it becomes pretty clear, that the fact that Trump has won so many votes, doesn't mean as much as one would initially think, and in fact uncovers some real problems moving forward. It's pretty easy to argue that the number of votes is not really related to "excitement" that Trump has generated. And that is backed up by the number of people that readily admit they don't like him, and the fact that many in the party aren't endorsing him.

As a republican, you should be upset at the establishment...not Trump. They were all about "supporting the nominee" at the start of all this. The only one honest and upfront from the beginning on that was trump...who said he didn't know if he would or would not. As soon as trump looked to be the eventual nominee they all quickly turned....basically because they are more worried about their own power and influence then the will of the people.

 

And as bad as things on the republican side are...the democrats don't even have a real election. The establishment gets to pick whoever they want and give them a 500 delegate lead to start the whole thing.

 

I'm not sure you can even call these primaries democracy. It's truly disgusting.

Another take from George Will.

 

Who will follow Trump off the cliff? - The Washington Post

 

Now, regarding realities: In 2012, 93 percent of self-described Republicans who voted did so for Mitt Romney. Trump probably cannot receive 80 percent of what probably will be, because of discouragement and revulsion, a smaller Republican turnout. Romney lost 73 percent of the Hispanic vote; Trump is viewed unfavorably by 82­ percent of Hispanics and very unfavorably by 62 percent. Trump probably will receive significantly less than Romney’s ruinous 27 percent of this vote. And because of demographic trends and Trump’s motivating policies and insults, Hispanic turnout probably will be significantly larger than in 2012, as the white percentage of the electorate continues to shrink. Romney won just 37 percent of young voters (18-29); Trump is unlikely even to match this.

Although Romney won 53­ percent of married women, he received just 44 percent of the total female vote. Today, Trump trails Hillary Clinton among women by 19 points (35 percent to 54 percent)

 

In receiving, so far, the support of 4.7 percent of America’s eligible voters, Trump has won a mere plurality of votes in a party approved by only 33 percent of the electorate. This electorate had about 5 percent more Democrats than Republicans even before Trump further tarnished the GOP brand. So, Republicans need to carry independents by more than Romney’s five points. Even in states that have voted Republican since 2000, Trump is viewed unfavorably by 62 percent and strongly unfavorably by 52 percent.

 

 

All very salient points from Mr. Will. Taken all together, this is why Trump will be crushed.