So I don't have to look through the past few pages of this thread, can anyone tell me what time the hearing is today?

 

11:00. Davis and all the deputy clerks are to be present.

So that's your answer when you really don't have an answer?

 

No thats what you all do.

spin spin spin till it fits your agenda

And if a duly elected Quaker clerk refused to issue you a gun license because of his firmly held religious belief in pacifism, you'd go to the next county to get your gun license?

 

If it meant that much to me then yes.

No thats what you all do.

spin spin spin till it fits your agenda

 

Everybody has an agenda. We only label it as an "agenda" when it doesn't "fit" with our own "belief"

About #1 , and helping me understand it in simple terms, basically because I can only comprehend simple. Isn't the ruling kinda like when you ask your parents why, and they say "because I said so?" In essence they granted themselves the authority to rule over law.

 

This is is a good history/civics lesson for me though. I thought that the SCOTUS, based on the constitution, was given the authority to make decisions about laws and could strike them down if ruled unconstitutional.

 

Yeah, 1st couple of classes on constitutional law are devoted to this debate and lots of history classes dive deep into it. Given it was decided in 1803, there wasn't a lot of history to go on. Also, since the US democracy was a bit of a novel idea, nobody really knew how things were going to shake out.

 

Since that time, many argued for a much more literal reading of the 10th Amendment (i.e., all rights not expressly granted to the Federal government are expressly reserved to the states). If SCOTUS had agreed, all 3 branches of the Federal government would have had a much smaller role in our lives and Frankfort would be much more important than DC. Good or bad, it didn't evolve that way, SCOTUS hooked virtually everything into "interstate commerce" and the Federal government took on a much greater role in everyone's lives.

They have no authority to create a law as the article says. They can rule but it is not a law.

 

The fact is Kentucky law has not changed since the Govornor will not call a special session since it will sink Conway if he did.

 

The court ruling and Kentucky legal statute are in conflict currently.

 

SCOTUS is not God.

 

I keep saying this, no one wants to listen.

I ran across this when looking to see how the country and the states handled the "Brown v Board" decision. These were the examples of organized resistance to the decision:

 

Not everyone accepted the Brown v. Board of Education decision. In Virginia, Senator Harry F. Byrd, Sr. organized the Massive Resistance movement that included the closing of schools rather than desegregating them.[38] See, for example, The Southern Manifesto. For more implications of the Brown decision, see Desegregation.

 

Deep South

 

Texas Attorney General John Ben Shepperd organized a campaign to generate legal obstacles to implementation of desegregation.[39]

 

In 1957, Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus called out his state's National Guard to block black students' entry to Little Rock Central High School. President Dwight Eisenhower responded by deploying elements of the 101st Airborne Division from Fort Campbell, Kentucky, to Arkansas and by federalizing Arkansas's National Guard.[40]

 

Also in 1957, Florida's response was mixed. Its legislature passed an Interposition Resolution denouncing the decision and declaring it null and void. But Florida Governor LeRoy Collins, though joining in the protest against the court decision, refused to sign it, arguing that the attempt to overturn the ruling must be done by legal methods.

 

In Mississippi fear of violence prevented any plaintiff from bringing a school desegregation suit for the next nine years.[41] When Medgar Evers sued to desegregate Jackson, Mississippi schools in 1963 White Citizens Council member Byron De La Beckwith murdered him.[42] Two subsequent trials resulted in hung juries. Beckwith was not convicted of the murder until 1994.[43]

 

In 1963, Alabama Gov. George Wallace personally blocked the door to Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama to prevent the enrollment of two black students. This became the infamous Stand in the Schoolhouse Door[44] where Wallace personally backed his "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" policy that he had stated in his 1963 inaugural address.[45] He moved aside only when confronted by General Henry Graham of the Alabama National Guard, who was ordered by President John F. Kennedy to intervene.

 

Upland South

 

In North Carolina, there was often a strategy of nominally accepting Brown, but tacitly resisting it. On May 18, 1954 Greensboro, North Carolina became the first city in the South to publicly announce that it would abide by the Brown ruling. However, the city put up legal obstacles[how?] to the actual implementation of school desegregation for years afterward, and in 1969, the federal government found the city was not in compliance with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Transition to a fully integrated school system did not begin until 1971, after numerous local lawsuits and both nonviolent and violent demonstrations. Historians have noted the irony that Greensboro, which had heralded itself as such a progressive city, was one of the last holdouts for school desegregation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education

 

Compare where applicable.

Fifth: The hypocrisy I am pointing to has NOTHING to do with the SCOTUS ruling or differing opinions on it. Nor does it have anything to do with Davis' religious freedom. It has everything to do with 2 elected officials refusing to do part of their job. Many of the same people that believe Davis should have resigned (and for what it's worth since she's ignoring court rulings I full expect and agree with her being fined or jailed) defend Conway for in effect doing the same thing she did, refusing to do his job. The people that are OK with Conway not doing his job are now piling on people that are OK Davis not doing her job. That's the hypocrisy I saw and still see. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with either the SCOTUS ruling or Davis' subsequent actions. It has everything to do with 2 elected officials refusing to do their job based on their beliefs and the differing reactions of people to those officials based on weather they agree with the position of the elected officials.

 

I have no desire to have this discussion but you have been hung up on this one decision from Conway for months. Are you really so incapable of seeing the difference in job duties and discretion between an attorney general and a county clerk? Do you not see the difference between deciding how to allocate resources and choose strategy versus signing your name because the two people in front of you are over 18 and not related?

 

Give it up man. Everything doesn't have to be tit for tat.

Ok. I am here. This is a circus.

I have seen photos of school age kids at the protest. Are there many there? I assume they were taken out of school for this.

I would caution anyone from using Mike Huckabee as your legal source.

Ok. I am here. This is a circus.

 

Steve Bittenbender ‏@freelancehack 6m6 minutes ago

A demonstrator on a bull horn just told people outside the Ashland courthouse that 65 percent of all serial killers are homosexuals.

I didn't realize the Rowan County clerk was a family business.

 

Ms Davis' mom was the clerk for 40 years and now her son is her deputy.

I read that Judge Bunning is personally against same-sex marriage but is known on both sides of the aisle as putting law first.

I didn't realize the Rowan County clerk was a family business.

 

Ms Davis' mom was the clerk for 40 years and now her son is her deputy.

 

I personally think that is the horns of her dilemma as well as her religious convictions. To step down would be to betray her legacy and that's why it is so difficult for her to just leave.

 

Just an analysis from observation.