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Memphis council votes to dig up Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife

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Not sure, I know the first time I ever heard it was from someone on here. So who do you think that rebel flag waving BGPer is? By God kick em off the site.

 

I love the South, the rebel flag, my Southern Heritage and I just bought a flag and would not have felt compelled to do so if not for the recent uproar. I did not own one prior to today but enough is enough. It's one thing to remove it from the state govt. buildings and quite another to try and erase it and all other things associated with the Confederacy from our history. Anybody who doesn't like my beliefs, that's fine with me but don't expect to see me give up my heritage because you do not understand it and have a narrow view of what the flag and other CSA symbols stand for to me and many others.

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In Egypt? :lol2:

 

 

Both, original one built by slaves and the one in Memphis honors Tiger Basketball rather than UK:lol2:

Is there any truth that the KKK was founded as a way to protect southerners from some Northern reconstructionists who being a bit too aggressive in their ways but then as membership was growing, extremists took over the Klan, booted the original founders to the side, and formed it into a hate group? I have heard that more than once

 

That is partially true according to this article.

 

Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

I love the South, the rebel flag, my Southern Heritage and I just bought a flag and would not have felt compelled to do so if not for the recent uproar. I did not own one prior to today but enough is enough. It's one thing to remove it from the state govt. buildings and quite another to try and erase it and all other things associated with the Confederacy from our history. Anybody who doesn't like my beliefs, that's fine with me but don't expect to see me give up my heritage because you do not understand it and have a narrow view of what the flag and other CSA symbols stand for to me and many others.

 

Do you at least see that the battle flag is rightly very offensive to many, as a symbol of slavery and later as segregation? That, perhaps, it has a dual identity?

Do you at least see that the battle flag is rightly very offensive to many, as a symbol of slavery and later as segregation? That, perhaps, it has a dual identity?

 

I do and the up roar since Charleston has made me see things differently while at the same time it tears at my insides. It provokes a wide range of emotions that I have not yet fully come to grips with and I am not sure I ever will. Earlier in the flag thread I said this (I would have quoted it but I was not smart enough to figure out how to use a quote from another thread).

 

It reminds me of home and my family, It's a warm sight I saw every day of my childhood. It reminds me of my Southern Heritage. I never thought of the flag and any ties to slavery or racism. Or at least I have always to chose to block out the negative when I see KKK or other racist use the flag in a manor that stood for such I suspect because that is not what it reminded me of. The recent push against the flag was, and I think still is a shock to my system because it hurts to see that image portrayed in a manner that is so different from the way I have always viewed the flag. It has made me stop and realize that my view of the grand Ole South is seen by others as a symbol of racism and evil and that pains me deeply and is honestly hard for me to accept because it tears at my insides deeply. As I have said, I realize it should not be flown over capitals and the like and I would give anything to be able to remove it from racist hate groups and a lot of red necks as well. I do hope this better explains why I feel the way I do about this flag and while I cant imagine what it must make blacks feel like I still find myself caught up deeply in my feelings for this flag

When will this NONSENSE stop!!!!

When the next drama happens.

So I am in Marblehead, Ohio by Lake Erie. This is pretty much Yankee territory. Johnson's Island is home to the federal prison for confederate soldiers. I came across the confederate cemetery today. I hope they don't have to dig them all up.image.jpg

I do and the up roar since Charleston has made me see things differently while at the same time it tears at my insides. It provokes a wide range of emotions that I have not yet fully come to grips with and I am not sure I ever will. Earlier in the flag thread I said this (I would have quoted it but I was not smart enough to figure out how to use a quote from another thread).

 

It reminds me of home and my family, It's a warm sight I saw every day of my childhood. It reminds me of my Southern Heritage. I never thought of the flag and any ties to slavery or racism. Or at least I have always to chose to block out the negative when I see KKK or other racist use the flag in a manor that stood for such I suspect because that is not what it reminded me of. The recent push against the flag was, and I think still is a shock to my system because it hurts to see that image portrayed in a manner that is so different from the way I have always viewed the flag. It has made me stop and realize that my view of the grand Ole South is seen by others as a symbol of racism and evil and that pains me deeply and is honestly hard for me to accept because it tears at my insides deeply. As I have said, I realize it should not be flown over capitals and the like and I would give anything to be able to remove it from racist hate groups and a lot of red necks as well. I do hope this better explains why I feel the way I do about this flag and while I cant imagine what it must make blacks feel like I still find myself caught up deeply in my feelings for this flag

 

It has been an eye opening experience for me, too. I have always equated the battle flag with racism (that has been my experience) and have come to realize that there are genuinely some in which that is absolutely not the case. To me, the flag doesn't represent the south...because I genuinely like the south. I still can't say that I understand how people can separate the flag from the racism and ugliness that surrounds it, but I will try to be more open to trying.

Forrest died in 1877 and, according to the terms of his will, was buried in Memphis' Elmwood Cemetery among his former soldiers. In 1904, however, the remains of Forrest and his wife were disinterred and relocated to the Memphis park that now features his statue.

 

Sounds like the original gravesite may not have been grandiose enough, so someone felt it necessary in 1904 to dishonor the general's stated intention to be buried with his men.

 

The only way I would be in favor of their remains being relocated would be to place them back in their original cemetery, per his will.

You don't think there are BGPers who are racist or flag bearing confederates at heart? I'm sure there are plenty. Can I name them? Nope. I'd be surprised if there aren't any at all though.

 

So anyone who believes such a theory must be red neck inbred racist. What if someone said that the mafia in its earliest days was an informal association of armed me who offered protection to the local estates from Italian mainland opportunists for payment. An honorable profession. Unfortunately they became greedy and those security providers kept requiring payment for protection, unfortunately that was protection from those security providers themselves in the form of extortion. So does this make me a Mafioso apologist? Both assumptions are just as purposterous.

So anyone who believes such a theory must be red neck inbred racist. What if someone said that the mafia in its earliest days was an informal association of armed me who offered protection to the local estates from Italian mainland opportunists for payment. An honorable profession. Unfortunately they became greedy and those security providers kept requiring payment for protection, unfortunately that was protection from those security providers themselves in the form of extortion. So does this make me a Mafioso apologist? Both assumptions are just as purposterous.

 

What assumptions are purposterous and what theory are you talking about?

 

And yes, that makes you a mafioso apologist the same way people say that I justify the rioters because I explained their mindset.

What's the big deal?! He's already been moved once.

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