June 28, 201511 yr Maybe we should get rid of laws against murders and theft since these are in the 10 Commandments, too. :rolleyes: Roll your eyes all you want. It's still a fairytale book.
June 28, 201511 yr Mine are on topic. Yours represent disconnected passages from the Old Testament. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. We are saved by His Grace in the New Testament. They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
June 28, 201511 yr That's not what I asked. If you are going to quote a verse, than please explain what that verse means. Since you feel so strongly about the Bible, you must have some experience with it. So I'll only ask you about your "contradictions" claim. Please describe 2 contradictions in the Bible. You very passionately say that the bible is full of contradictions, please simply name 2. EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen. "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30) "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
June 28, 201511 yr I am to the right side of the spectrum. On a scale of 0 to 100 where a 0 is the extreme left and a 100 is the extreme right, I am at a 99. Do you have friends at the 99th percentile of conservatism? Yes. I also have friends around the 50-70th percentile on the right side of the spectrum calling people homophobes. That is my initial point. Do you think only the left engages in faulty name calling?
June 28, 201511 yr Yes. I also have friends around the 50-70th percentile on the right side of the spectrum calling people homophobes. That is my initial point. Do you think only the left engages in faulty name calling? 50th-70th percentile are moderates, not conservatives.
June 28, 201511 yr EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen. "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30) "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20) Not contradictions. Exodus 15:3-Moses and his sister are singing praises just after God had led them to safety from the charging Egyptians. They aren't saying that God is an actual warrior who fights. It is a way of calling God a protector. Romans 15:33- Paul is writing a letter trying to encourage the Roman Christians to stay strong when the Roman government is trying to arrest them for being an unlicensed religion. So when he says The God of Peace be with you it is describing God as a loving protector who will keep them safe. In Genesis 32:30 Jacob is wrestling with an angel that is representing God. The angel dislocates his hip and Jacob refuses to let go without a blessing. When Jacob realizes this he makes the statement in verse 30 because he names this specific location Peniel which means "I have seen the face of God and lived" it is referring to the name of a place and not seeing the actual face of God. In Exodus Moses wanted to see God's actual face on Mt. Sinai and God says in 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live."Moses begs and God allows Moses to catch a glimpse of his back as he passes through and Moses becomes like glowing radiation. You have to read bible verses in context. you can't just skim and scan. These examples are relatively easy to see if you read the four or five preceding verses. The bible does not contradict itself at all. It is completely consistent. But there is a lot of violence and disgusting imagery. 2 Kings 6:29 is like out of a horror X Rated movie. If you want a list of verses that skeptics claim to be contradictory you can go to this website http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html but look the verses up yourself and read the whole paragraph, you will see that they are not. Not one single contradiction exists in the scriptures.
June 28, 201511 yr I am to the right side of the spectrum. On a scale of 0 to 100 where a 0 is the extreme left and a 100 is the extreme right, I am at a 99. Do you have friends at the 99th percentile of conservatism? 99? You? Would never have guessed it. You're being too modest. Don't let any of us stop you, go for the gusto man and make it a full blown 100, I mean you're merely just a breath a way for crying out loud.
June 28, 201511 yr Scalia's dissent is a very insightful critique of the Supreme Court's decision and he says nothing about religion or morality. It is his contention that the SCOTUS, or rather just 5 members of it, creatively found a right for same-sex marriage that cannot be found in the constitution or any of the amendments. His concern is that SCOTUS has stepped beyond its judiciary role in the separation of powers and become legislators. He says in this decision it should not matter to the Court whether gay marriage is right or wrong but the court should only be concerned with whether the founding documents addressed it and what do they say about it. As he sees it, the decision has nothing to do with the constitution, since it no where gives legal status to gay marriage, and so the court overreached its role and legislated a new right that did not exist before. He says that the justices who found in favor did not present legal arguments for accepting it. He accuses those justices of quite muddled thinking and presents several instances of their incoherent speech. For him, the real danger is that it is not the role of the judiciary to create rights or enact legislature but only rule on whether laws are consistent with the constitution. If the country wanted to change the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples then there is a mechanism to do so--it's called the legislature. That could be done at the state level or at the national level. In this case, the SCOTUS by-passed the available means and wrote their own law, thwarting the will of 50 million people in the various states who already voted to define marriage according to its historical definition. This is no insignificant matter that Scalia brings up because it has implications far beyond the one issue of same-sex marriage. The bottom line for Scalia is that if the SCOTUS can do that, it has taken the power of the people and placed it in the hands of 5 people. 330 million people can be ruled by 5 people with law degrees. This endangers the Republic and it affects all of us now and in the future of the US of A. I think Scalia's warning has merit and needs to be carefully considered.
June 28, 201511 yr Not contradictions. Exodus 15:3-Moses and his sister are singing praises just after God had led them to safety from the charging Egyptians. They aren't saying that God is an actual warrior who fights. It is a way of calling God a protector. Romans 15:33- Paul is writing a letter trying to encourage the Roman Christians to stay strong when the Roman government is trying to arrest them for being an unlicensed religion. So when he says The God of Peace be with you it is describing God as a loving protector who will keep them safe. In Genesis 32:30 Jacob is wrestling with an angel that is representing God. The angel dislocates his hip and Jacob refuses to let go without a blessing. When Jacob realizes this he makes the statement in verse 30 because he names this specific location Peniel which means "I have seen the face of God and lived" it is referring to the name of a place and not seeing the actual face of God. In Exodus Moses wanted to see God's actual face on Mt. Sinai and God says in 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live."Moses begs and God allows Moses to catch a glimpse of his back as he passes through and Moses becomes like glowing radiation. You have to read bible verses in context. you can't just skim and scan. These examples are relatively easy to see if you read the four or five preceding verses. The bible does not contradict itself at all. It is completely consistent. But there is a lot of violence and disgusting imagery. 2 Kings 6:29 is like out of a horror X Rated movie. If you want a list of verses that skeptics claim to be contradictory you can go to this website A List Of Biblical Contradictions but look the verses up yourself and read the whole paragraph, you will see that they are not. Not one single contradiction exists in the scriptures. In your opinion it doesn't contradict itself. An opinion that I do not share.
June 28, 201511 yr Numbers 31:7-18 They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
June 28, 201511 yr EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen. "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30) "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20) This represents a very superficial reading of the Bible. Are you being obtuse? You may not assign any special value or authority to the Bible but you can at least try to understand it under its own terms and read it as you would other pieces of literature deriving meaning from context, literary features (such as contrast, recurrence, chiasmus, cruciality, etc.), and genre. Also, assume the people who wrote it were intelligent so that if something appears like an obvious contradiction it probably isn't. Also, understand it is not a 21st century document but was written to be understood by people in a particular context and in a particular time. Now try reading it again. You may gain a lot more from it than you expect.
June 28, 201511 yr This represents a very superficial reading of the Bible. Are you being obtuse? You may not assign any special value or authority to the Bible but you can at least try to understand it under its own terms and read it as you would other pieces of literature deriving meaning from context, literary features (such as contrast, recurrence, chiasmus, cruciality, etc.), and genre. Also, assume the people who wrote it were intelligent so that if something appears like an obvious contradiction it probably isn't. Also, understand it is not a 21st century document but was written to be understood by people in a particular context and in a particular time. Now try reading it again. You may gain a lot more from it than you expect. No thank you. Too much talk of killing and rape in order for me gain something out of it.
June 28, 201511 yr 50th-70th percentile are moderates, not conservatives. 99th percentile is extremist, just like 99th percentile on the liberal scale. People in the 50-70 is where good ideas happen. Anyone overly conservative or liberal don't get anything done.
June 28, 201511 yr No thank you. Too much talk of killing and rape in order for me gain something out of it. Then the first sentence in my paragraph still applies. You are willfully ignorant of one of the most important influences on western culture. I also would be willing to bet that your choice of movies, television, literature, and perhaps video games would belie your professed disdain for "talk of killing and rape."
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