Funny you castigate the left but I know many conservatives who feel the same way about gay marriage that you say the left feels.

 

Not on my right side of the spectrum, they don't.

Of course, someone's deity should dictate how others live.

 

So I'm going to try and state my belief on this topic as clear as I can and why it's always been a non issue to me.

 

I don't use bible quotes like some of protestant Christian peers because I'm Catholic. When I have moral dilemmas I turn to the Catholic Cathecism for guidance. I'm not good Catholic but I try to be.

 

The Catholic Church does not believe being gay to be a sin. The Catholic Church does view sex out of marriage to be a sin. The Catholic Church also believes marriage to be between a man and a woman. So the actual act of intimate relations is considered a sin. But no worse than the dozens of my straight friends who have sex out of marriage.

 

So how could I being a reasonable person cast stones at my gay friends and not also my straight friends. Not to mention a sin I myself have committed.

 

I see no difference in any scenario I listed and I'm not going to judge people based on sins that do not affect me . That isn't my job .

 

I forget the exact quote but I remember a quote from Jesus telling people to follow the laws of Ceaser on earth and of his Father in heaven.

 

As long as a law doesn't force me or you to commit a sin it shouldn't bother us and we should follow the laws of " Ceaser" here on earth. If it is truly a sin that is on the individual when they meet their maker and Lord knows I'll have my fair share to answer for.

 

This is not entirely correct. It is not a sin to be gay, but the Catholic Church expects you to repent and pray towards reconciliation.

 

Homosexuality | Catholic Answers

 

Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

 

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

The point is it doesn't matter if they are against it. The decision is final.

 

Supreme Court - Yes

God - No

For those who seem to think that this "official" stance and decision by America does not affect everyone, here is a quote by George Washington. It captures my heart on this issue, and for that matter, other issues before this one. I figured I would use his quote since he has more credibility than I do.

 

 

"....the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained; and since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered, perhaps, as deeply, as finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people." - George Washington, First Inaugural Address, New York City, April 30, 1789

 

Basically, if we throw out God, and we refuse to submit to and honor His order and ways, then we have chosen to come out from under His protection and blessing...and we can no longer expect His divine hand to guide this great country.

 

Rebellion and disobedience to our Almighty creator will absolutely effect us all as a nation.

 

Yes, I believe that the more we have declared our independence from God, the more we have lost our blessing and independence as a nation.

 

William Penn put it this way...

 

"Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn

 

We are deceived if we believe that we, as a nation, can continue to throw God's order and ways back in His face, and NOT be effected in ways we may not even realize.

 

BTW, What I have posted here was my conviction prior to yesterdays SCOTUS decision. This decision is only another step down the rebellion road that America has already been on. Perhaps and hopefully someday, our nation takes a U turn, and gets back on it's initial road of submitting to God and His ways, then we might benefit from the propitious smiles of heaven. If not, American, wealth, strength, opportunities and protection will continue to decay.

 

Well stated!

Washington was well known as person of religious tolerance to others however. In his own writings he would recommend that employees of his farm be hired on they're own merit not they're religion or skin color. He was well known for supporting the belief that all kinds of religious practices were beneficial for humans. In essence his belief was that religion is good for man but he did not dictate what religion they should believe in. Its well known that the founding fathers did not wear their faith on they're sleeves. John Adams even signed the Treaty of Tripoli that attested the the US Government was not founded on christian religion. The founding fathers felt religious choices were a private affair unlike today's political environment. Many of our forefathers probably would not even be elected in today's shameful political environment.

 

Your god may not agree with the scotus decision or of individual freedoms that allow for protection under the law, but I may make the argument that my god does.

 

There is only one God.

 

He does not agree with this decision.

Now I am even more confused. You said '"no" but then said exactly what I was asking - as if answering yes. Not a big deal...I agree with you that many conservatives are OK with gay marriage...count me as one. I don't think too many conservatives who are for gay marriage think that those opposed are bigoted homophobes. Some sure, but nowhere near the majority and nowhere near as many as the left that feel that way.

 

I would not consider you a true conservative then.

This is not entirely correct. It is not a sin to be gay, but the Catholic Church expects you to repent and pray towards reconciliation.

 

Homosexuality | Catholic Answers

 

Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

 

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

 

Amidst all of the dogma loving, following types out here please know that my response here is not at all meant to push any religious dogma, but being raised Catholic, there was something referred to as "The near occasion of sin" where it wasn't a person actually acting out on their "impure" thoughts, but merely having them. That in itself was a no-no.

 

This response was not meant to give the impression that I follow man-made religious dogma, but merely to clarify and expand on Cardinals2745's commentary.

Amidst all of the dogma loving, following types out here please know that my response here is not at all meant to push any religious dogma, but being raised Catholic, there was something referred to as "The near occasion of sin" where it wasn't a person actually acting out on their "impure" thoughts, but merely having them. That in itself was a no-no.

 

This response was not meant to give the impression that I follow man-made religious dogma, but merely to clarify and expand on Cardinals2745's commentary.

 

I was not raised a Catholic, but my in-laws are Catholics.

 

Thanks for the clarification without using one of these on my wrists.

 

This is profound and ironic as it acknowledges that people make their own gods (little g) that fit there agenda and agrees with their self desires.

 

I only care about Big G and what He says. (not guru :lol2:)

So your God is against gay marriage but is cool with sex slaves (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) and murder. (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT).. My point here is you believe in your God but other religions may believe in another God or religion.. We are a country founded on religious freedom and a clear separation of church and state Nothing more and nothing less So to attempt to use a bible based argument is irrelevant as is a Torah or Koran based argument.

 

"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever." Exodus 21:2-6

 

I can quote verses too.

I was not raised a Catholic, but my in-laws are Catholics.

 

Thanks for the clarification without using one of these on my wrists.

 

 

Feel safe in knowing that I have never approved of that approach, and thankfully they're not known to do that anymore.

 

The woman you posted here is probably not far from being similar to the nun that tied my Mother's left hand to her desk forcing here to write with her right hand, since writing with one's left hand was believed to be the sign of the devil. If my Mother's was even spotted going to her left hand, she got her knuckles cracked as a firm reminder.

 

While the nuns were worried about the sign of the devil, they seemed not to take notice that their own actions looked a hell of a lot like a sign of the devil way more than someone writing with their left hand.

"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever." Exodus 21:2-6

 

I can quote verses too.

 

off topic

 

Thank goodness then you were born where you were. Had you been born in Asia, or Africa or some other part of the world where Christianity isn't the main religion, you'd have a totally different set of beliefs and likely believe in and worship a different God.

 

Most would agree with you that there is only one God. Not every though believes it is your God. And their arguments will be just as strong as yours.

Feel safe in knowing that I have never approved of that approach, and thankfully they're not known to do that anymore.

 

The woman you posted here is probably not far from being similar to the nun that tied my Mother's left hand to her desk forcing here to write with her right hand, since writing with one's left hand was believed to be the sign of the devil. If my Mother's was even spotted going to her left hand, she got her knuckles cracked as a firm reminder.

 

While the nuns were worried about the sign of the devil, they seemed not to take notice that their own actions looked a hell of a lot like a sign of the devil way more than someone writing with their left hand.

 

Glad that I did not grow up Catholic!