Also, I understand this discussion has been talked about a long time ago. Back in '09 I think. My problem is, yes at schools like Scott Co. and Mason Co. where basketball is huge, I understand, but when other schools it's all at a level playing field it really screws coaches in the fall. I think this was not thought at clearly way back then and people did this due to politics at their school.

 

It is what it is, but if the coaches association agree to July 22, it will kill the sport in this state. I hope some coaches who agree with this regret it later on. Do your homework guys, talk to other coaches in other states. OUR job is to mold young men, but when they see administrators in this state not care about football and care more about basketball then you will see a decline in the sport. I TOLD EVERYONE that giving up June would hurt and guess what a lot of the Kool-Aid drinkers that said no listen to these guys they know what they are doing. I get a call from nearly the same ones saying you were right a long time ago. I said "Yep". It's called doing your homework and reading what it could do for the sport and not going off politics within your own schools.

 

I see why some of our good coaches are leaving for Bama, Georgia or Virginia.

Kentucky football coaches association needs to stop handing olive branches to basketball.

 

Talk to coaches in other states and they laughed.

 

Pretty Embarrasing if you ask me, but hey adjust and go on. We already can't compete in national 7 on 7 tourneys in June and now you can kiss July good bye.

 

Coaches Association has no authority in such matters. That is strictly a false perception that is put out their by the powers that are autonomous. (DPE, KHSAA, backed by KMA)

It doesn't matter, if it's KHSAA, or Board of Education. WE need to stand up to them and not let this happen. We are here to mold the young men and to protect and save this sport.

It doesn't matter, if it's KHSAA, or Board of Education. WE need to stand up to them and not let this happen. We are here to mold the young men and to protect and save this sport.

 

Over the last decade, there have been multiple decisions made that were contradictory of what were voted on in advisury meetings and association votings. The whole idea of coaches having a voice is a joke. Everyone knows that , until superintendants across the state take a more active role and support the coaches assoc, then all this is moot. I find it funny that people actually believe the khsaa propoganda that coaches influence policy. Basically the khsaa only support a coaches suggestion, if that goes withwhat they have already decided.

Boys Basketball is the KHSAA cash cow, so the KHSAA is going to favorite their cash cow. Even girls basketball tourney makes more than Football. Boys Basketball brings in more $ then all the other sports combined. With the PRP thing a few years ago, Tackett isn't going to give football any leeway.

 

Not for individual schools. Almost every school in the state, including bball schools, has more gate receipts for football than basketball.

Not for individual schools. Almost every school in the state, including bball schools, has more gate receipts for football than basketball.

 

Not only more. But more than boys and girls combined.

 

Good point.

When is the restrictions going to end on football. Now, many will say all high school sports have similar restrictions. I say bull crap. Basketball fans/coaches will say they have restrictions, but they say it with one side of their mouth and with the other side they know their players will be playing the entire off-season with a coach they tutor to coach virtually their entire team to prepare them for the high school season. Baseball fans/coaches will say the same thing knowing their players will be playing summer ball and fall ball while working with private coaches in the fall to prepare for the high school season.

 

Football lost the entire month of June so basketball could practice with their entire team, with the stipulation July was for football, with basketball coaches knowing most of their players would be playing AAU in July anyway. The first part of July is lost for football to the dead period, now the next week is lost too because you can't wear helmets, so 7 on 7 should be out for that additional week. As soon as the practice window is open coaches are going to dedicate every minute to football practice and not worry about 7 on 7 anymore. Then coaches will try to get as much practice in as possible so they are prepared to start the season.

 

Players don't have AAU football or club football to hone their skill, they have to rely on what time they have with their high school team unlike all other sports. If preventing injury and heat related illness is a true concern, they need to let the players properly prepare for the sport's season ahead of them, don't rush them into playing without proper acclimation and preparation.

 

The bolded is becoming more and more a common place where each school is now starting to have their own summer ball teams made up of their own players and coaches. Summer Ball in about 10 years will be nothing more than an extended High School basbeball season due to the fact that most of the teams will be made up of their high school teams.

 

I'm waiting for a flag football league to form during the spring and summer that is made up of nothing but each high schools football teams and coaches so they can start early on their offensive schemes etc.

All the in state colleges need to get on board and help fight this too.

 

What team will be the first to go full gear with no helmets?

We all want football to be the best it can be, but we have different approaches and priorities.

 

If someone truly wants to make football better in their community, approach a school board member and/or administrator in your community and ask for these 3 things:

 

1- Adequate assistant coach pay, fully funded coaching staffs, and as many coaches are teachers as possible in the building.

2- In school weight classes so kids can work and do other sports after school. (Yes, Highlands does not need this, most programs do.)

3- Fully funded football so your kids are in safe equipment, quality cloth, and the playing/practice surface is safe.

 

If you truly want to put your energy into making KY HS Football better, here is where to put your focus, in my opinion. It is incredibly difficult to be good in football in most KY HS's without the 3 things above.

 

Until those 3 things change across the board, it will be a struggle.

It won't help to get rid of June and go through July 22 with no helmets. Not happy with people's compromises. I understand it may not have been mentioned to you guys at the advisory meeting. So, why have an advisory board if one man is going to make the decision. It's simple so that person can fall back on you guys if it fails.

 

I know small schools that have:

 

1. NO teachers in the building except for the Head Coach.

2. NO in school weights. Yes, it would be great, but not a necessary.

3. NO fully funded football. Some things have to be phased in.

 

But losing the structure, NO helmet practices in June and until July 22 will make these schools not get to practice because the school may tell them can't practice until helmets come on because of insurance policy.

 

I'm telling you guys we are compromising football's future in this state.

 

Just like we did with NO June 7 on 7. I'm going to say this again. Going down the wrong path again. GOing to hurt football in this state. Let's see who disbelieves me again.

Edited February 13, 201511 yr by Rambo4343

I get a little off topic the further down this post goes, but it all plays into the same argument.

 

Where I am familiar with the coaching pay scale, Head coach makes $9350 & the assistant coaches in football can top out @ $4700 & that is paid by the BOE. The scale can go all the way down to an assistant making $1175 for the season. The board will pay for the head coach & the top (4) assistants for a total of $28,150 (they do this for each high school in the county) & then the booster club of the football team has to fundraise to come up the the remainder of the $$$$ for the 7 other assistant coaches & pay them in the same pay scale that the board pays $4700/$3525/$2350/$1175. The BOE limits the number of coaches to 12 for football, but many operate with less. Coaches can split the BOE paid stipends in increments that are supplied above to put less strain on the booster clubs, but then you are shortchanging your top assistants.

 

In school weight training classes are a great idea. I have been in schools that have them & initially they were created by the coaches working with administration to get it done. Unfortunately you also have to have the Guidance office to "buy-in" to this idea (which they are clueless about & won't) & it becomes a dumping ground of kids that they don't want to put in other classes & think its no big deal that they fill a conditioning class with 50-60 people with only 10-15 kids who actually want to be in there to lift weights.

 

I know several programs that do it right, (I have heard Boyle Co. is very successful with this concept), correct me if I am wrong on this, but where I am familiar with it has become a total disaster.

 

I fought with the same issue of not having coaches in the building in one role or another for years, finally I gave up on trying to convince administration that it was worthwhile & quit.

 

..............and here is my soapbox post.

Athletics is the single biggest drop-out deterrent in a school in my opinion. I even crunched the numbers on it with data from the guidance office. The 10 years I was involved with athletics @ the high school level, we had a total of 2 students who dropped out that played Varsity athletics. One truly did drop out & the other enrolled early @ Southern Cal on a full scholarship as @ 16 (but was still considered a "drop out" on paper.

 

TWO in TEN years people. We had nearly 200 dropouts who didn't play sports during the same time period. We need good coaches that are good teachers in the building. Some athletic departments are rostering over half of the schools enrollment & its still being seen as 2nd fiddle.

 

 

Post & ask me questions, I will be happy to answer. I would invite you to PM me, but since I am not a full member I can only get 1 @ a time so its better to just answer here, I don't mind being transparent @ all in regards to questions like this & what I have dealt with.

It is my understanding schools were notified last summer of the July 22nd policy & the rule clearly states helmets MAY be worn after Juy 10th if participating in 7 on 7 activities. You can see the full listing under the KHSAA limitation of seasons policy. The shift is official mandatory practices with a helmet from the previous date of July 15 to July 22. I disagree with that rule change, but the misinformation on this thread about helmets and 7 on 7s is ststaggering. Helmets CAN be worn for 7 on 7s as of July 10.

It is my understanding schools were notified last summer of the July 22nd policy & the rule clearly states helmets MAY be worn after Juy 10th if participating in 7 on 7 activities. You can see the full listing under the KHSAA limitation of seasons policy. The shift is official mandatory practices with a helmet from the previous date of July 15 to July 22. I disagree with that rule change, but the misinformation on this thread about helmets and 7 on 7s is ststaggering. Helmets CAN be worn for 7 on 7s as of July 10.

Yes, but that encourages teams to practice for 7 on 7 without a helmet so they can participate in 7 on 7 with a helmet. If the swing in rule changes is geared toward safety, why would the KHSAA want teams practicing for 7 on 7 without a helmet?

 

I don't think the information in this thread is "misinformation", I think the assumption is, most coaches will not practice without a helmet to participate in 7 on 7 with a helmet.

Ask every high school coach. I will tell you that there was about 10 that knew about this. Hell there were people on the advisory board that didn't know. SO as far as misinformation, I think you are right, a lot of coaches were misinformed, as a matter of fact I wouldn't call it misinformed. I would say UNinformed, which means not informed at all.

It gets more and more difficult. We are trying to encourage kids to play football, go through a spring practice no playing other teams, three days a week in June lifting and practicing no competition, now taking more time in July. All the while basketball and baseball players are competing against other teams. Tough sell!