The only succesful challenge Coach McCarthy gets right this year could be the biggest of his career.

 

16% on the year, 50% on the game and 100% on the one that mattered most. :popcorn:

He didn't maintain control, that was the entire issue. The officials got it right. When he stretched the ball out and hot the ground, the ball moved from his grasp and he didn't maintain control, the ball popped out and he grabbed it again out of the air which by definition is not maintaining control.

 

No, no, no. Let's be clear.

 

IF they determined he made a football move then the ball coming out does not make it incomplete.

 

So the question then becomes: Is that a football move?

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!

 

Pretty good turn around from the last couple seasons. Drafting LINEMEN is showing dividends.

No, no, no. Let's be clear.

 

IF they determined he made a football move then the ball coming out does not make it incomplete.

 

So the question then becomes: Is that a football move?

Apparently not

No' date=' no, no. Let's be clear. IF they determined he made a football move then the ball coming out does not make it incomplete. So the question then becomes: Is that a football move?[/quote']I think it was and I was rooting against Dallas. While controversial, I can see why it was overturned. The refs have been consistent with that rule, good or bad.

Pretty good turn around from the last couple seasons. Drafting LINEMEN is showing dividends.

 

You are correct. Gotta win in the trenches.

 

I do not like the Cowboys - not since Roger Staubach. And while I get a personal kick out of their recent irrelevance - in the words of Stephen A. - "a walking piece of mediocrity" - the league is more interesting when they're in the mix.

Good one the First 10 minutes of First Take tomorrow ought to be entertaining. I've already set my DVR. Skip Bayless maybe will be whining about the officials tomorrow.

 

Skip has already tweeted it was the "Crime of the Century"...

No, no, no. Let's be clear.

 

IF they determined he made a football move then the ball coming out does not make it incomplete.

 

So the question then becomes: Is that a football move?

You forget how the rule is to be interpretated. Remember Calvin Johnson a couple years back in the end zone diving to the ground and as he was spiking the ball the ball slipped put of his hands? They determine that it was all in the same motion as catching the ball and he needed to maintain controll all the way through. Same thing here, he did not maintain control when he stretched the ball out, it hit the ground and he lost control.

 

The problem in this one when he stretched the ball forward, it hit the ground. That is where he messed up. If he would have kept his hand under the ball then it would have been a catch all the way, the fact it hit the ground and when it did he lost control made it an ncomplete pass.

That is the rule, officials made the right call.

Skip has already tweeted it was the "Crime of the Century"...

Plus they are in Dallas tomorrow.

Jerry Markbreit used to be an official. I found this Q&A online where someone asked him about this type of play.

 

I heard the Sunday Night Football crew discussing the review of a catch and fumble. They made reference to "the receiver must have possession, control and make a football move." Could you define "a football move" as it relates to a catch? --Steve Supica, Canton, Mich.

 

When a catch is made by a receiver who comes down with both feet on the ground, the "football move" would be: stretching for a first down, diving out-of-bounds or running with the ball. If the "football move" is accomplished, and the receiver is then hit and the ball comes out, it is ruled a catch and fumble, instead of an incomplete forward pass.

 

Jerry Markbreit's answers - Chicago Tribune

 

I assume since stretching for a first down is a football move then stretching for the goal line would be as well.

You forget how the rule is to be interpretated. Remember Calvin Johnson a couple years back in the end zone diving to the ground and as he was spiking the ball the ball slipped put of his hands? They determine that it was all in the same motion as catching the ball and he needed to maintain controll all the way through. Same thing here, he did not maintain control when he stretched the ball out, it hit the ground and he lost control.

 

That is the rule, officials made the right call.

 

CJ was not a TD because he did not maintain possession AND there was no football move. That's what I'm trying to tell you is the distinction. See my other post about Markbreit.

CJ was not a TD because he did not maintain possession AND there was no football move. That's what I'm trying to tell you is the distinction. See my other post about Markbreit.

And same as today. He never maintained control. He would have been fine of the ball didn't hot the ground. That is what it comes down to. The ball hit the ground when he stretched out and then came lose.

 

Im not saying I agree with the rule, as many in the NFL I don't agree with, but it is the rule and he didn't maintain control.

 

The post describing the football move explains it clearly, it says if the football move is accomplished...Bryant's move was not accomplished. He lost control of the ball while completing his football move, therefor the move was not accomplished.

CJ was not a TD because he did not maintain possession AND there was no football move. That's what I'm trying to tell you is the distinction. See my other post about Markbreit.

 

I'm with you Clyde. That was a football move IMO and to REVERSE the call on the field really surprised me. There was not enough evidence to reverse the call on the field IMO. He had control of the ball clearly and was reaching it for the goal line...

And same as today. He never maintained control. He would have been fine of the ball didn't hot the ground. That is what it comes down to. The ball hit the ground when he stretched out and then came lose.

 

Let me make this clearer: The ball coming loose and of itself is NOT why the play was called incomplete. They determined there was no "football move" made. Otherwise, as Markbreit stated in my earlier post , it would have been a fumble and a recovery ie a catch.