January 11, 201511 yr No, no, no. Let's be clear. IF they determined he made a football move then the ball coming out does not make it incomplete. So the question then becomes: Is that a football move? Absolutely - No This is consistent with every call that I have seen for the last 3 years since the rule has been in effect. HB is 100% correct.
January 11, 201511 yr Absolutely - No This is consistent with every call that I have seen for the last 3 years since the rule has been in effect. HB is 100% correct. So you don't think he made a football move? Are you saying that because you THINK it's not a football move or because you KNOW by the wording of the rule that it's not? How is his stretching for the goal line different than the example Jerry Markbreit gave saying it is a football move stretching for a first down? Does the NFL differentiate between a first down stretch and a TD stretch?
January 11, 201511 yr Let me make this clearer: The ball coming loose and of itself is NOT why the play was called incomplete. They determined there was no "football move" made. Otherwise, as Markbreit stated in my earlier post , it would have been a fumble and a recovery ie a catch. Exactly. He did not complete a football move successfully. As stated in his definition of a football move. It was not a succesful football move because his football move was stretching the ball forward and in doing so he lost control of the ball, therefor an unsuccessful football move which in turn is an incomp,ete pass. Like I said, Dez's mistake was letting the ball touch the ground when making his football move because when he let the ball touch the ground he lost control of the ball. If Dez would have just tucked the ball odds are the Cowboys are going to the NFCCG.
January 11, 201511 yr By the rule. That was not a catch. Start another thread and argue about the rule all you want, but as of today, the refs reviewed it and called it correctly based on the rule. Jerry Markbreit used to be an official. I found this Q&A online where someone asked him about this type of play. I heard the Sunday Night Football crew discussing the review of a catch and fumble. They made reference to "the receiver must have possession, control and make a football move." Could you define "a football move" as it relates to a catch? --Steve Supica, Canton, Mich. When a catch is made by a receiver who comes down with both feet on the ground, the "football move" would be: stretching for a first down, diving out-of-bounds or running with the ball. If the "football move" is accomplished, and the receiver is then hit and the ball comes out, it is ruled a catch and fumble, instead of an incomplete forward pass. Jerry Markbreit's answers - Chicago Tribune I assume since stretching for a first down is a football move then stretching for the goal line would be as well. First thing, I will discuss the play in this thread. How does taking three steps diving forward, forearm hitting the ground and then the ball hitting the ground not considered a football move? Also, the referee ruled him down by contact, that is why they marked it short of the end zone, doesn't that mean he was or did have possession and made a football move or the defender prevented the football move.
January 11, 201511 yr No excuses. I am a cowboy fan lifer. I am inclined to think that Dallas should not have been in that situation to start with. The bottom line is that Rodgers did what he had to do when he had to do it. That guy is just a dominant player even when he is not at full speed.
January 11, 201511 yr Exactly. He did not complete a football move successfully. As stated in his definition of a football move. It was not a succesful football move because his football move was stretching the ball forward and in doing so he lost control of the ball, therefor an unsuccessful football move which in turn is an incomp,ete pass. . You are going completely against what Markbreit says. You're saying that IF he made a football move and then lost control it's incomplete. No way that's correct.
January 11, 201511 yr Slow motion replay is good for sparking discussion. In slow motion it looks as if Dez "took steps" after catching the ball. Just because his momentum carried him coming down with two feet in bounds in a step like motion, that does not mean he "took 2 or 3 steps". Am I right or wrong about that? I think that was what Pereira was alluding to when he was saying you can't look at his legs in this case.
January 11, 201511 yr First thing, I will discuss the play in this thread. How does taking three steps diving forward, forearm hitting the ground and then the ball hitting the ground not considered a football move? Also, the referee ruled him down by contact, that is why they marked it short of the end zone, doesn't that mean he was or did have possession and made a football move or the defender prevented the football move. It was a football. I've, but he did not comp,ete the move which is what people are leaving out. He didn't comp,ete it when the ball touched the ground and he lost control of it. You have to successfully complete the football move, which he didn't do.
January 11, 201511 yr It was a football. I've, but he did not comp,ete the move which is what people are leaving out. He didn't comp,ete it when the ball touched the ground and he lost control of it. You have to successfully complete the football move, which he didn't do. By your definition a player catching the ball, stopping, spinning, and then going to the ground and losing control would be an incomplete pass.
January 11, 201511 yr So you don't think he made a football move? Are you saying that because you THINK it's not a football move or because you KNOW by the wording of the rule that it's not? How is his stretching for the goal line different than the example Jerry Markbreit gave saying it is a football move stretching for a first down? Does the NFL differentiate between a first down stretch and a TD stretch? He did not complete a football move. Period! I'm not biased. I'm a Bears fan. I hate the Packers. The refs were consistent to every ruling that I have seen. Sometimes you need to just not like it and accept the rule. They got it right and consistent to the season.
January 11, 201511 yr You are going completely against what Markbreit says. You're saying that IF he made a football move and then lost control it's incomplete. No way that's correct. No I'm nt going against what he says at all. You are ignoring half of what he said. You are ignoring when he said he has to SUCCESFULLY COMPLETE the move. A foot all move is one when a receiver stretches forward with the ball...we both understand that, but in doing so he has to be able to complete that move SUCCESFULLY which he didn't. Part of him stretching the ball forward was when doing so the ball hit the ground and when it did it popped out. That is not completing the move.
January 11, 201511 yr It was a football. I've, but he did not comp,ete the move which is what people are leaving out. He didn't comp,ete it when the ball touched the ground and he lost control of it. You have to successfully complete the football move, which he didn't do. What does "complete" a move mean and where did you come up with that? He either made a move or did not, after three steps, heck anything after two steps is a move, he reached out.
January 11, 201511 yr By your definition a player catching the ball, stopping, spinning, and then going to the ground and losing control would be an incomplete pass. No I didn't say that at all. I was referring to what you posted. Dez did not catch the ball stop, spin and then dive. Read your own post of the definition. That is exactley what I am going by. In that post it even explains that a football move can be stretching the ball forward which occured in this play but it also states it must be a succesful completion of the move, and that is where it was ruled incomplete.
January 11, 201511 yr He did not complete a football move. Period! . Hell, at least we're now getting somewhere and to the crux of the rule. I am curious to know what the NFL calls deems to be football moves. Now that we're on the right debate tell me how this play isn't a football move but Markbreit says stretching for a first down is.
January 11, 201511 yr HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!Yeah, how 'bout them. They were in it until the end. Nothing to hang your head about if your a fan, which you obviously aren't. Life goes on. You a Bengal fan?
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