#Rhetorical

 

Here's the link to the 2012 All-State AP team:

The AP's 2012 Kentucky All-State Teams | College Football

 

There were quite a few NKY kids on it since 2012.

 

2011: 15 or 16 (Nussbaum listed at 2 positions)

2012: 15 (I think).

2013: 2 (I think).

2014: 2.

 

It seems since 2012, but not every year.

Edited January 3, 201511 yr by CKSportsFan

You might want to check that.

 

2014: 24 votes

2013: 15 votes

2012: 15 votes

 

2013

"LOUISVILLE — The 2013 Associated Press Kentucky High School All-State first and second teams, as selected by 15 media representatives from across the state:"

 

2012

The AP's 2012 Kentucky All-State Teams | College Football

"LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) — The 2012 Associated Press Kentucky High School All-State first and second teams, as selected by 15 media representatives from across the state:"

 

 

I meant that AP membership overall is dropping, not the number that voted. That's why I said 24 seemed like a pretty good number.

Edited January 4, 201511 yr by True blue (and gold)
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This has been an injustice to many kids in the state of Kentucky for many years now.

 

The way the AP team is named makes a farce of the whole thing.

I meant that AP membership overall is dropping, not the number that voted. That's why I said 24 seemed like a pretty good number.

 

There were 15 voters in 2011, too. Three straight years (11-12-13) with 15 voters, and then 24 this year.

 

That's a HUGE climb.

 

Unfortunately, not many from NKY.

 

Another thing to consider:

 

Not only do the AP members vote, they also nominate (because let's face it, listing every starter in the state would be a hard ballot to wade through).

 

So with few/no NKY representation to vote, that means there is few/no chance NKY kids even get nominated.

 

It also stands to reason that since each paper/station gets very few nominees per position, they're NOT going to waste it on nominating someone 1-2 hours away. Why should they?

 

Write-in voting (scrapping the nomination process all together) would be even worse.

 

I've been through that before. You have people who get grades wrong, positions wrong, confuse schools (Pulaski instead of Pulaski Southwestern, Male instead of Manual) and forget kids graduated.

 

About the only solution to the "No NKY kids" issue is to get more NKY AP votes somehow.

 

Because in 2011 and 2012 (I posted the teams for those years), there were more than a dozen NKY kids each year.

 

It's since 2012 this has been an issue. Of course, 2012 was when the KY Enquirer/KY Post merged or shut down or combined with the Cincy paper(s). And it makes little sense for the Ohio TV stations/papers, which provide plenty of highlights/coverage to pay to join the Kentucky AP when their dues double (Ohio + Kentucky) but there's not much return on investment.

 

The Madison Indiana paper covers Mason County, Ky.

The Clarksville Tennessee paper covers Fort Campbell and other Southern KY teams.

 

But neither has an AP Kentucky vote (which is what NKY is going through). Mason would have more All-State kids if Madison could vote.

 

Not sure what the answer is.

Maybe there can be a media All-State vote (including Web forums) which also includes crossover/border media (Cincy TV, Cincy paper, Madison Indiana paper, Clarksville Tennessee paper/TV).

 

There's no easy fix.

 

And there's no All-State team which makes every person happy.

Edited January 4, 201511 yr by True blue (and gold)
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Congrats to all those named, something to be proud of.

2010

http://bluegrasspreps.com/ky-football-high/ap-all-state-214238.html

The 2010 Associated Press Kentucky HS football all-state team | The Courier-Journal | courier-journal.com

"LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) - The 2010 Kentucky High School All-State first and second teams, as selected by 13 media representatives from across the state."

 

There were 12 kids from NKY to make it in 2010. 15 in 2011. 15 in 2012. 2 in 2013. 2 in 2014.

 

So it's not a every year thing. It's the "last 2 years" thing. And 2 years ago is when NKY AP membership took a huge dip.

How Ray Zuberer didn't make Honorable Mention is beyond me. Put up 56 TD passes and over 3600 yards in 12 games.

 

Led the state in passing yards, yards per game, and TD passes in a season. No Honorable Mention.

How Ray Zuberer didn't make Honorable Mention is beyond me. Put up 56 TD passes and over 3600 yards in 12 games.

 

Led the state in passing yards, yards per game, and TD passes in a season. No Honorable Mention.

 

If I vote for Sindelar (Mr. Football, D-I guy) and Hoge (D-I guy), I DON'T have room for Zuberer on my ballot.

 

Each voter only votes for two QBs and that's it.

 

Krupinski from Central Hardin (undefeated regular season) and John Wilson (Hardin-LaRue-Meade Area offensive player of the year as selected by coaches/newspaper) didn't make it either (granted Wilson made it at DB).

 

Krupinski was the offensive MVP of the East-West Senior All-Star Game (Team Kentucky vs. Team Louisville) a few weeks ago.

 

QB Reese Ryan didn't make it either and he was considered a preseason Mr. Football contender.

 

Lots of deserving QBs. Only two votes per voter (and I would think many voted for Sindelar or Hoge ... or both).

I know very little about a lot of players from others schools and I'm sure they were deserving but I do know the Mayfield players and the three that got named to 1st and 2nd teams were very deserving. Congrats to Kel Carman and Trajon Bright and Lane Kennemore. The Graves players were deserving also, Cody Crider and Heath Wiggins and Hector Garcia.

Young and Veneman weren't snubbed. Both made honorable mention.

 

Which OL making first or second team do you want to knock off to make sure Young makes it?

 

Same for Venneman. Which WR needs to be demoted to make Venneman second team? Which receivers (plural) need to be knocked down to make Venneman first team?

 

All of them...Veneman lead the state in receiving yardage and TD's I believe and played on a state champion team. A finalist for Mr. Football but only HM? That and only 2 kids from NKY on the list just shows this list is pretty much meaningless. The fact it has happened two years in a row makes it look not like an accident.

It's great for the kids who made the list. Unfortunately, some made it that maybe should not have if the representation had been more even. I always look to the Best of the Bluegrass rosters as a better representation of whom the best players are anyway.

 

As a parent, always great to see your kids name in the paper and a disappointment when the obvious is overlooked.

Congrats to Beau Hoge (2nd team) and Alex Venneman (HM) for being the ONLY 2 players from all N KY schools to be on the list.

 

 

Really AP voters -- there are almost 150 kids listed and Northern Ky schools represented by 2 young men. Seems a bit biased against.

You mean there aren't any SK players? Someone won't like that.

4 Lafayette players? I watched them play SK had a bunch of better football players!

Who are these players? Do any of them have D1 offers?

Young and Veneman weren't snubbed. Both made honorable mention.

 

Which OL making first or second team do you want to knock off to make sure Young makes it?

 

Same for Venneman. Which WR needs to be demoted to make Venneman second team? Which receivers (plural) need to be knocked down to make Venneman first team?

 

 

I know that what you are saying is the standard answer when such a list is made but are you kidding! Venneman should be on the list before any and all of the receivers listed. One of the receivers listed as 1st team, Hughes, played quarterback the majority of his teams snaps this year. Nothing of his wide receiver production suggests All State recognition at that position. I know that kid is a really good player but he is not all state at WR or QB this year. Why attempt to defend such an obviously flawed process?

 

Sometimes when we put together our best effort and then look back and see that the end product is a miserable failure (that's what this list is) we just have to scrap it. If I am a member of the AP and I know I have a faulty system I would object to proceeding with that system and discrediting the very organization that I represent. To defend the process in any way is to say that you are ok with it. I know of no 'professional' organization that would proceed in this manner.

 

To the players listed, congratulations. It's a great honor to even be considered. Thanks for a great season.