1. Hind site is 20/20. You have the benefit of it, the dad didn't.

 

2. He snuck into the house at night without the parent knowing. That in and of itself is wrong and put him in a situation he ultimitely did not want to be in.

 

3. Not the same situation...at all.

 

4. Strawman argument. Some of us are sinply stating that we understand how this incindent could happen given the circumstances and the reaction of the young man, with the information presented. No where has anyone said they don't value life or that it wasn't a tragic situation or anything like that. I'm valuing life right now by telling people please DON'T sneak into my house, it might end up in a situations that neither of us want to find ourselves in.

 

From your posts in here, it seems evident that if you were in the Dad's situation you'd do the same thing and not lose a second of sleep over it. Hard to see that as viewing it as tragic.

Certainly too far. You didn't answer my question.

 

In many many situations anyone/group unknown to you or your group is considered the foe or enemy until proven otherwise. Why communication is so important on the battlefield. Might not be the answer you wanted but it's how it is. And if you approach it the other way around, its how one gets themselves or guys in their unit killed.

From your posts in here, it seems evident that if you were in the Dad's situation you'd do the same thing and not lose a second of sleep over it. Hard to see that as viewing it as tragic.

 

Just goes to show you are reading something into my posts and you don't know me...at all. I lose sleep if I think I was a little too hard on a kid while coaching a basketball game. I would hate to think what I would feel like ifsomething like this happened to me. But if I amin a situation where I think or feel its either me or a loved one going down, or putting down what is precieved as the danger, I just HOPE that I don't hesitate and do what needs to be done. That's what this whole thing has come down to.

Just goes to show you are reading something into my posts and you don't know me...at all. I lose sleep if I think I was a little too hard on a kid while coaching a basketball game. I would hate to think what I would feel like ifsomething like this happened to me. But if I amin a situation where I think or feel its either me or a loved one going down, or putting down what is precieved as the danger, I just HOPE that I don't hesitate and do what needs to be done. That's what this whole thing has come down to.

 

Fair enough, I'm still struggling to see why the use of deadly force was necessary. There's nothing in the story that suggests the deceased was acting threatening, or anything close to what would warrant taking his life. JMO.

All the daughter had to do was say she knew him and none of this would have happened.

 

As far as not screaming there have been cases of people getting raped in their own bedroom that didn't scream due to threats to the rest of the family or a knife to their throat...so not screaming isn't a golden ticket here.

 

It all comes back to the daughter denying she knew the guy and then the guy at gun point going for his pants and the father not wanting to allow him a chance to pull out a possible knife or gun.

 

You would have thought that if she was in distress that she would have ran to her Dad as soon as he entered the room and she saw that he had a gun. If he'd had a knife or a gun on her you'd think she'd have said so or if he were assaulting her you'd have thought she'd have said so. I get that she might have been quiet if being threatened but I just have to think she'd have told her Dad that he either had a weapon or was assaulting her--it doesn't sound like that is what happened. She's definitely at fault but it sounds like the Dad was a little quick on the trigger.

Fair enough, I'm still struggling to see why the use of deadly force was necessary. There's nothing in the story that suggests the deceased was acting threatening, or anything close to what would warrant taking his life. JMO.

 

There's a lot evil in this world. It comes in all shapes, sizes, ages, and colors. Just because you don't perceive anything threatening in the article as threatening doesn't mean there wasn't. I'm certain there are things that I and others perceive as threatening that you would never even notice.

There's a lot evil in this world. It comes in all shapes, sizes, ages, and colors. Just because you don't perceive anything threatening in the article as threatening doesn't mean there wasn't. I'm certain there are things that I and others perceive as threatening that you would never even notice.

 

True. We are ALL speculating here. We don't know exactly what went down or what the father's intentions really were.

Fair enough, I'm still struggling to see why the use of deadly force was necessary. There's nothing in the story that suggests the deceased was acting threatening, or anything close to what would warrant taking his life. JMO.

 

You may very well be right in that deadly force may not have been needed...but again that's in hindsight. At the time the dad may have very well felt threatnd to the point that he felt the need to protect himself and or family. Again why I say I would never want to be in that situation because if it appears at the time that my or a loved ones like is threatened, I'm gonna do what I can to ensure its the other guy and not me. Andim quite sure it won't feel great even if totally justified...I'm sure it would feel like total crap if it turned outt the threat I precieved and deadly force, while seemingly needed at the time, could have been avoided. And this could have been avoided if the kid had just not been there to begin with, and the daughters hands are dirty in this thing too.

You may very well be right in that deadly force may not have been needed...but again that's in hindsight. At the time the dad may have very well felt threatnd to the point that he felt the need to protect himself and or family. Again why I say I would never want to be in that situation because if it appears at the time that my or a loved ones like is threatened, I'm gonna do what I can to ensure its the other guy and not me. Andim quite sure it won't feel great even if totally justified...I'm sure it would feel like total crap if it turned outt the threat I precieved and deadly force, while seemingly needed at the time, could have been avoided. And this could have been avoided if the kid had just not been there to begin with, and the daughters hands are dirty in this thing too.

 

Or the dad may have very well gone in guns blazing upon hearing his teenage daughter was knockin boots... :idunno:

Or the dad may have very well gone in guns blazing upon hearing his teenage daughter was knockin boots... :idunno:

 

That could turn out to be true...but not the information that has been presented yet. And IF that is what actually happened, then the dad should get everything the law could throw his way.

You would have thought that if she was in distress that she would have ran to her Dad as soon as he entered the room and she saw that he had a gun. If he'd had a knife or a gun on her you'd think she'd have said so or if he were assaulting her you'd have thought she'd have said so. I get that she might have been quiet if being threatened but I just have to think she'd have told her Dad that he either had a weapon or was assaulting her--it doesn't sound like that is what happened. She's definitely at fault but it sounds like the Dad was a little quick on the trigger.

 

I wasn't saying she was in distress just stating why she may have been quiet and not screaming if it was in fact an intruder in her room.

True. We are ALL speculating here. We don't know exactly what went down or what the father's intentions really were.

 

We'll likely never know what transpired. If the dad believed the kid was an intruder then he made a split second decision. Now everyone else has an infinite amount of time to critique the shoot and dissect the decision. If he felt it was an intruder then it's a clean shoot. If it's a bad shoot we'll likely never know unless dad or daughter makes a statement otherwise. Unless it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt he doesn't need to be locked up.

Tough precedent to set here if he goes free. Regardless, the civil suit will be interesting.

Tough precedent to set here if he goes free. Regardless' date=' the civil suit will be interesting.[/quote']

 

What precedent is tough?

What precedent is tough?

 

Using deadly force against someone who wasn't harming anyone and as it turns out was invited in. This could have been worked out with a few more sentences, I sense the guy was pretty upset finding the kid in the room and gave him the ending every guy with a daughter says he will.