I don't understand why this is a big deal....We've been told for 5+ years that President Obama belonging to Rev. Wright's church didn't mean he shared his anti-American beliefs, but because Tebow is speaking at Jeffress' church, he must have the same beliefs as he does....Color me shocked.

 

I agree with you on everything.

 

I still think it's in his best interests to avoid this speaking opportunity.

You can be tired of them all you want. This one seems to be the most damning IMO. You have a person who is held up as a great young man who exemplifies Christ's teachings going to support a bigot. That's not a story?

 

But aren't some of Jesus' teachings considered bigotry by some?

But aren't some of Jesus' teachings considered bigotry by some?

 

I would assume to a degree, yes.

 

This is to a degree that is completely different.

I don't understand why this is a big deal....We've been told for 5+ years that President Obama belonging to Rev. Wright's church didn't mean he shared his anti-American beliefs' date=' but because Tebow is speaking at Jeffress' church, he must have the same beliefs as he does....Color me shocked.[/quote']

This below, and how much money did Obama send to Wright?

Let's remember that Tim Tebow supports his dad's mission financially. Said mission believes that Catholics are not Christians.

 

Is that a form of religious bigotry?

I know a LOT of Catholics...and I don't know a single one who thinks that identifying as a Protestant predestines you away from salvation.

 

 

"I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd." -John 10:16

 

Yep. Jesus hasn't changed, only the way we worship him has. That includes Catholics.

Fair response.

 

I'd argue it's a bit different though. In the President' case he obviously separated himself from Rev Wright(Certainy fair to question motives) . In this case, Tebow is going to support what appears to be IMO a whacked out religious nut.

 

You can be tired of them all you want. This one seems to be the most damning IMO. You have a person who is held up as a great young man who exemplifies Christ's teachings going to support a bigot. That's not a story?

 

You could view it that he is going there to talk about his beliefs. Isn't that what he does when he goes on mission trips? Jesus did not only speak or minister to those who believed or who others felt worthy.

 

I am going to guess that Jesus would not avoid this place but rather would seek it out.

I would assume to a degree, yes.

 

This is to a degree that is completely different.

 

Not completely different. Jesus said some things that would lead to him getting absolutely lambasted by scores of people today--things people would perceive as being very offensive, bigoted, & intolerant.

 

Where I agree that it is different, IMO, is that this guy doesn't have authority to say who is or isn't going to hell; nor is it fair to label people a "Satanic cult" when that group finds its foundation in Jesus himself.

You could view it that he is going there to talk about his beliefs. Isn't that what he does when he goes on mission trips? Jesus did not only speak or minister to those who believed or who others felt worthy.

 

I am going to guess that Jesus would not avoid this place but rather would seek it out.

 

That would be fair if it weren't for his family's beliefs that he supports. If he goes there and tells the congregation that they should not think of Catholics as "satanic cults" and not think that Mormons and Islams are going to hell and that gays aren't "brainwashing" then I'd say "hear, hear."

 

My guess is that's not going to happen.

That would be fair if it weren't for his family's beliefs that he supports. If he goes there and tells the congregation that they should not think of Catholics as "satanic cults" and not think that Mormons and Islams are going to hell and that gays aren't "brainwashing" then I'd say "hear, hear."

 

My guess is that's not going to happen.

So what if he just gives his testimony and doesn't touch on those topics?

So what if he just gives his testimony and doesn't touch on those topics?

 

No easy answer there.

 

When you go speak in a place like this and do not state where you differ with them then you run the risk of being accused of agreeing.

 

As UKMF said it's similar to Rev Wright.

 

Again, the big difference is the Tebow family has a history of intolerance and bigotry towards Catholics. I'm guessing it's towards other groups as well.

That would be fair if it weren't for his family's beliefs that he supports. If he goes there and tells the congregation that they should not think of Catholics as "satanic cults" and not think that Mormons and Islams are going to hell and that gays aren't "brainwashing" then I'd say "hear, hear."

 

My guess is that's not going to happen.

 

This pretty much sums up what I was going to say.

 

If he keeps the speaking engagement, let's wait to hear what he has to say before passing judgement.

This pretty much sums up what I was going to say.

 

If he keeps the speaking engagement, let's wait to hear what he has to say before passing judgement.

 

Fair request. My guess though is , as Jumper points out, he will not address those subjects.

That would be fair if it weren't for his family's beliefs that he supports. If he goes there and tells the congregation that they should not think of Catholics as "satanic cults" and not think that Mormons and Islams are going to hell and that gays aren't "brainwashing" then I'd say "hear, hear."

 

My guess is that's not going to happen.

 

You don't know how far he goes in having the same beliefs as his family. I don't read much into supporting his father's mission financially. I put more in to the fact that he was and maybe still is dating a girl from a strong catholic family. Don't think he would do that if he felt she was from a satanic cult.

You don't know how far he goes in having the same beliefs as his family. I don't read much into supporting his father's mission financially. I put more in to the fact that he was and maybe still is dating a girl from a strong catholic family. Don't think he would do that if he felt she was from a satanic cult.

 

No longer dating. She seemed to be a star-chaser anyway.

 

Fair point on supporting the family. I guess I suppor the Catholic church even though I don't support every one of its causes.

 

I'm still wary of his beliefs towards many religions.

No easy answer there.

 

When you go speak in a place like this and do not state where you differ with them then you run the risk of being accused of agreeing.

 

As UKMF said it's similar to Rev Wright.

 

Again, the big difference is the Tebow family has a history of intolerance and bigotry towards Catholics. I'm guessing it's towards other groups as well.

 

This is somewhat similar to the University of Notre Dame inviting President Obama to speak at the University in some ways. Before the 2008 election, the leaders of the Catholic Church in the US said there are five political issues where the Church's views do not waiver They are 1) abortion, 2) embryonic stem cell research, 3) human cloning, 4) gay marriage, 5) I cannot remember the fifth, sorry. Obama holds views which contradict the church on all five. By Notre Dame inviting Obama, I believe the School leadership could have given the impression that opposition to these five issues is if not acceptable, atleast tolerable. That is why I felt the school was mistaken even though they stated they disagreed with Obama's views on those issues, their actions could sway some of the luke warm faithful that such issues are OK.

 

Some will say people should be just as upset about Bush speaking at Notre Dame due to his views on War and the Death Penalty. However, unlike the positions above, the Catholic Church does not hold that War and the Death Penalty are ALWAYS wrong, there are instances where war and the death penalty can be morally justified. Extremely rare with the Death Penalty but possible.