Not my point at all. Position under the basket by a defender making the play a charge with no place for the offensive player to land should be eliminated. No way that doesn't eliminate that play over time with a semi-circle. No judgement there at all is there? Sure you can charge within the circle, not my point.

 

I'm not sure I follow. What do you mean when you say that the offensive player has no place to land?

I'm not sure I follow. What do you mean when you say that the offensive player has no place to land?

 

Let's assume that an offensive player has left his feet towards the goal, a defender is set up for a charge but very nearly under the basket. That is not only dangerous but not what i think the spirit of the rule is about. Makes a layup a charge with a kid standing under the net 2 hands on his crotch. Dangerous and would be eliminated with the half circle. No more, no less.

 

I've seen several charges this season with a player on his way down and a kid parked right under the basket. Hate it.

 

Cost too much to implement.

 

Haven't read the whole thing but 8 states have a highschool shot clock. It's needed.

8/50 isn't really a convincing argument.

I like the strategy that can be used without a shot clock personally.

Haven't read the whole thing but 8 states have a highschool shot clock. It's needed.

 

Who pays for these to be installed at over 200 schools?

 

Let's not even get started on the ball of fun it would be for a scorekeeper to have to reset the shot clock. They can barely seem to work the game clock much of the time. I think you'd have to designate an official for that at every game.

 

It's not that I don't want a shot clock, but there are legitimate reasons why I don't think I'll see it any time soon.

Who pays for these to be installed at over 200 schools?

 

Let's not even get started on the ball of fun it would be for a scorekeeper to have to reset the shot clock. They can barely seem to work the game clock much of the time. I think you'd have to designate an official for that at every game.

 

It's not that I don't want a shot clock, but there are legitimate reasons why I don't think I'll see it any time soon.

I agree with this and believe that there are a myriad of reasons you won't see one. However, I thought that the lead official reset the clock during game play. Is that right or wrong?

Let's assume that an offensive player has left his feet towards the goal, a defender is set up for a charge but very nearly under the basket. That is not only dangerous but not what i think the spirit of the rule is about. Makes a layup a charge with a kid standing under the net 2 hands on his crotch. Dangerous and would be eliminated with the half circle. No more, no less.

 

I've seen several charges this season with a player on his way down and a kid parked right under the basket. Hate it.

 

 

My point is that if the defender is set per the rules then the onus re: a place to land or being safe is on the offensive player regardless if he/she is barely in front or barely behind the semicircle. A few inches doesn't make it any safer. If the defender was not set before the offensive player started his/her shooting motion it's a foul regardless of where it is on the floor.

 

I don't see what adding the semicircle does other than bail out officials from having to make a tough call.

I agree with this and believe that there are a myriad of reasons you won't see one. However, I thought that the lead official reset the clock during game play. Is that right or wrong?

 

Looked it up. I'm wrong.

My point is that if the defender is set per the rules then the onus re: a place to land or being safe is on the offensive player regardless if he/she is barely in front or barely behind the semicircle. A few inches doesn't make it any safer. If the defender was not set before the offensive player started his/her shooting motion it's a foul regardless of where it is on the floor.

 

I don't see what adding the semicircle does other than bail out officials from having to make a tough call.

I wholeheartedly disagree. and you're contention now it would be easier for the official to make that call because it would be less tough? which is it?

I wholeheartedly disagree. and you're contention now it would be easier for the official to make that call because it would be less tough? which is it?

 

Before I respond tell me what you disagree with. How is it safer if the defender has his/her foot barely in front of the semicircle vs barely behind?

Blatant flopping is a technical foul. If more refs called it that way, you'd begin to see less flopping.

 

I've seen it called once this year in a game and it was the wrong call. Watched another game this weekend and the refs refused to call a charge even when the offensive player lowered his shoulder and was out of control. hardest call to make. Maybe the semi circle would help?

This is not a rule change as much as it is enforcing a rule----and I doubt if it is technically a black letter rule. I am referring to the "rule of verticality." This should be better enforced at all levels of ball. In the colege game, I've noticed a welcome trend to where refs are not calling the defender for a foul so much when the 3-point shooter jumps into him or sticks his leg out to draw a foul. A defender, to me, has a right to the air space directlky above him, so long as he is stationary or moving backwards.

This is not a rule change as much as it is enforcing a rule----and I doubt if it is technically a black letter rule. I am referring to the "rule of verticality." This should be better enforced at all levels of ball. In the colege game, I've noticed a welcome trend to where refs are not calling the defender for a foul so much when the 3-point shooter jumps into him or sticks his leg out to draw a foul. A defender, to me, has a right to the air space directlky above him, so long as he is stationary or moving backwards.

 

We agree. Too often the defender is penalized when the offensive player leaps into them while they are straight up.

 

Note: I say that realizing that most players and coaches are wrong when they say "What? His arms were straight up."

 

I'm talking about legit straight up.

Because sometimes there's an OJ Mayo out there. I see no harm whatsoever letting a middle-schooler who is ready play up.

 

Braxton Beverly was outstanding in the state tourney as a 7th grader. Mayo as a middle-schooler as well.

 

Sorry the benefits of the many, out weigh the benefit for a few.

 

Does a super stud 7th/8th grader in Football or Soccer get to play? No!

 

So why should a 7th/8th grade basketball player?

 

Talk about a double standard and I for one am surprised no one has sued the KHSAA over the difference in standards from one sport to the other!

Before I respond tell me what you disagree with. How is it safer if the defender has his/her foot barely in front of the semicircle vs barely behind?

I disagree that it's on the onus of a player driving to the basket to navigate the landing if a defender is directly under the basket. My point is that the line would eliminate that. Is that not why they instituted it in the levels above?