This is not basketball, closer to rugby. The Anderson/Walton game got completely out of control last night.

 

Anderson Co. presses pittino style non stop, uses 2 hands to check perimeter ball handlers, extremely physical in post, & body checks cutters that would make any NHL coach proud. That is style they must play to compete & that is fine, but to play that style & only have 2 team fouls in a half is not basketball.

 

The college games I watched yesterday not 10% as physical as this game. If allowed to play that style Anderson Co. would break Nerlens Noel in half.

 

Agree with earlier post....not nearly as important these daystwo to teach kids how to play the game as it is to spend hours in the weight room.

I don't think Julian Tackett knows much about basketball. But I'm not sure Roger Goodell knows much about football, so I suppose it doesn't really matter. I thought the officials in the Boyd County Roundball Classic this weekend did a great job. Personally the only gripe is all of the ticky tack junk that has been called out front that doesn't affect the player or the play and they blow the whistle. I don't know if that was the intention, I somehow don't think it was, but it does nothing but elongate the game, doesn't change a thing. Two hands on a player is a foul, IMO, when he/she is advancing the ball by dribble. The grabbing underneath doesn't seem to have changed much. And frankly, when the ball is about to be put in play either under the basket or side out or when a team is pressing in the full court, I see more grabbing before the ball is put in play than any other period in the game.

 

And in the long run my opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans. I think it comes down to this, if the official knows what he's doing, he does a good job and keeps the game in control. There are those who do and those who don't and I don't see much change.

I agree 100% with your post.

I don't think Julian Tackett knows much about basketball. But I'm not sure Roger Goodell knows much about football, so I suppose it doesn't really matter. I thought the officials in the Boyd County Roundball Classic this weekend did a great job. Personally the only gripe is all of the ticky tack junk that has been called out front that doesn't affect the player or the play and they blowU thwhistle. I don't know if that was the intention, I somehow don't think it was, but it does nothing but elongate the game, doesn't change a thing. Two hands on a player is a foul, IMO, when he/she is advancing the ball by dribble. The grabbing underneath doesn't seem to have changed much. And frankly, when the ball is about to be put in play either under the basket or side out or when a team is pressing in the full court, I see more grabbing before the ball is put in play than any other period in the game.

 

And in the long run my opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans. I think it comes down to this, if the official knows what he's doing, he does a good job and keeps the game in control. There are those who do and those who don't and I don't see much change.

 

What does it mean to be a ticky tac foul? If your hands are on the player it is a foul! I am more bothered about the checking of cuts. People want hire scoring, but it is hard to score when you can't run an offense.

What does it mean to be a ticky tac foul? If your hands are on the player it is a foul! I am more bothered about the checking of cuts. People want hire scoring, but it is hard to score when you can't run an offense.

If you believe that, then we aren't on level footing.

WOW!!!! This is Sooooo interesting. Wait... Does Tacketts comments apply to the Girls as well? Better and more physical girls programs are pentalized against lesser, less physical talented teams to keep things close or intact.

 

Just call the games as you see them, dont be a fool, and remember to protect the kids well being and health, and the hell with the integrity of the game, especially at the HS level.

What does it mean to be a ticky tac foul? If your hands are on the player it is a foul! I am more bothered about the checking of cuts. People want hire scoring, but it is hard to score when you can't run an offense.

Really? Have you ever seen the physical play in the paint that never gets whistled? Hands on each other, pushing, etc. out top -- if you slightly bump a player it is a foul.

I think the NBA sets the standard of play and then it filters down, in lesser degrees of course, to colleges, AAU, high schools and so on. The younger kids try to emulate the style of play seen in the pro and collegiate games. Until the NBA and colleges change ther style I doubt the HS administrators will have much luck in changing the way the game is played at the high school level.

The game isn't played with a peach basket anymore. The game has evolved. Players don't shoot a set shot and they don't shoot freethrows with two hands granny style anymore. If you really think there should be no defensive contact, there is literally no way to defend a player. If that's the case we should eliminate screens.

.Spindoc...I would argue today's ky high school game much closer to the peach basket days than say 15, 20, even 30 yrs ago.

 

Avg totals pts/game in last yr sweet 16 was 101...in 1997/98 avg total pts/ game 131 with a championship game score of 89-78.

 

Today's game not skilled basketball....battle of most physical...it is not enjoyable to watch & attendance @ sweet 16 proves that point.

 

I would guess yr S/K won state or mason Co or clay Co days in late 80's scoring per game even higher without 3 pt line. Plus I'd say attendance back then atleast doubled last yr sweet 16.

 

Hand & body checking in today's game make it impossible to run a half court offense & very non entertaining game.

 

Had a parent tell me he was the hack guy who used his 5 fouls to frustrate the other teams best player. His quote "in today's game I would never foul out & be 1st team all-state".

Stats in the 2nd Region have shown more fouls are called with 3-man crews, which the 2nd Region mandated for all games starting last year. Let's not forget this factor, because a lot of calls in the past were missed by 2-man crews

I don't think Julian Tackett knows much about basketball. But I'm not sure Roger Goodell knows much about football, so I suppose it doesn't really matter. I thought the officials in the Boyd County Roundball Classic this weekend did a great job. Personally the only gripe is all of the ticky tack junk that has been called out front that doesn't affect the player or the play and they blow the whistle. I don't know if that was the intention, I somehow don't think it was, but it does nothing but elongate the game, doesn't change a thing. Two hands on a player is a foul, IMO, when he/she is advancing the ball by dribble. The grabbing underneath doesn't seem to have changed much. And frankly, when the ball is about to be put in play either under the basket or side out or when a team is pressing in the full court, I see more grabbing before the ball is put in play than any other period in the game.

 

And in the long run my opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans. I think it comes down to this, if the official knows what he's doing, he does a good job and keeps the game in control. There are those who do and those who don't and I don't see much change.

 

Co-sign.

Preventative officiating is a lost art. I always thought that Ernie Liggett was the best at it. He would talk kids out of contact underneath, or up top, and did as much talking to them and warning them as he did blowing the whistle. The officials today seem to look for stuff to call, and rather than prevent whistles, lean on them. A simple "Watch your hands" or "Clean it up" could prevent the myriad of fouls that are being called today.

 

I agree with TAC that there are double standards for guard play up top, and forwards/centers play down low.

 

I also think that they still let you get away with 15% contact (riding or body checking a player) so long as your hands are clear. Good officials still call a good game, those who blow the whistle at every infraction are those responsible for the 40-50-60 fouls that are being called today.

Preventative officiating is a lost art. I always thought that Ernie Liggett was the best at it. He would talk kids out of contact underneath, or up top, and did as much talking to them and warning them as he did blowing the whistle. The officials today seem to look for stuff to call, and rather than prevent whistles, lean on them. A simple "Watch your hands" or "Clean it up" could prevent the myriad of fouls that are being called today.

 

I agree with TAC that there are double standards for guard play up top, and forwards/centers play down low.

 

I also think that they still let you get away with 15% contact (riding or body checking a player) so long as your hands are clear. Good officials still call a good game, those who blow the whistle at every infraction are those responsible for the 40-50-60 fouls that are being called today.

 

In your opinion, is that because it's easier to lean strictly and unwaveringly on the rule book/POEs than to use judgement?

Preventative officiating is a lost art. I always thought that Ernie Liggett was the best at it. He would talk kids out of contact underneath, or up top, and did as much talking to them and warning them as he did blowing the whistle. The officials today seem to look for stuff to call, and rather than prevent whistles, lean on them. A simple "Watch your hands" or "Clean it up" could prevent the myriad of fouls that are being called today.

 

I agree with TAC that there are double standards for guard play up top, and forwards/centers play down low.

 

I also think that they still let you get away with 15% contact (riding or body checking a player) so long as your hands are clear. Good officials still call a good game, those who blow the whistle at every infraction are those responsible for the 40-50-60 fouls that are being called today.

Are they not supposed to blow the whistle when there is an infraction??? That's the problem - the whole "letting them play mentality" has created a game that resembles something closer to rugby.

 

Old School referenced the Clay County teams from the 80's. I would venture to guess that in today's game, those Clay County teams would have gotten destroyed by those same Ballard teams that they competed with in the late 80's. Those Clay County teams where very skilled however not extremely physical, in today's game Ballard would be allowed to basically manhandle them.

Are they not supposed to blow the whistle when there is an infraction??? That's the problem - the whole "letting them play mentality" has created a game that resembles something closer to rugby.

 

Old School referenced the Clay County teams from the 80's. I would venture to guess that in today's game, those Clay County teams would have gotten destroyed by those same Ballard teams that they competed with in the late 80's. Those Clay County teams where very skilled however not extremely physical, in today's game Ballard would be allowed to basically manhandle them.

 

I've heard refs talk about their evaluations and are often critiqued for blowing a whistle that was an infraction, but did not alter the flow of the game.