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Truth is, Sticky can't find his way out of Ft. Thomas! Unless somebody else is driving of course.

Could explain why CovCath got no votes huh?

Congratulatins Coach and most importantly, congratulations to the young men representing my beloved Holmes high School. It's great to see this kind of recognition finally making it's way to 26th & Madison. Thank you gentlemen and thank you coach Lickert.

Do you not even see the disrespect in just this one line? Gimme a break. We all know where you stand. Save us the rest of the story. As for the game, I have come to know alot of the players on both sides and while all the boasting and trash talking is a blast, the truth is both of these teams respect and like each other for the most part. That said, they'd also like to beat the daylghts out of each other. That is what a good high school rivalry is about. Remember, you can't have a rivalry if only one side keeps winning. Records, injuries, previous games, all mean very little actually when it comes to this one particular game. Look for a war, look ofr lots of emotion. My rooting interest? Bellevue.

I don't know doc. . . I thought I was puttin' the flag in my pocket.

Yeah you're right, doesn't compare to the visitor's side in Ft. Thomas . . . oh that's right, there IS no visitor's side in Ft. Thomas.

With all due respect guys, this man is exactly what is wrong with school sponsored athletics and the sad part is he WILL get a college job somewhere. He cheats, he takes no responsibility for it, he blames everybody else around him and he finds a way to save face while basically being forced out . . .with PAY!!! Sounds like he could get a job coaching basketball at IU. (sorry, that's justa little jab for 98).

Not at a DI school they won't. Nichols will pitch and Elliot will play the outfield.

I find it interesting that some lament the fact that so many teams are in the playoffs even with the bad records. You do realize that in Baseball, basketball, soccer, volleyball, etc. EVERYBODY is in the "playoffs" right? And yes, I do realize that football is a once a week game situation. Kids playing the game for another week, participation, practice time, responsibility, are all great things and what we SHOULD really be about anyway. So bring on 0-9 Butler and anybody else who qualifies. Not sure about that 6 class thing. I'll reserve judgement on that one for acouple of years to see how this all shakes out. Computer systems are only as good as the garbage you put into them. I'd rather see more games than more data. Cincy St. X is still Cincy St. X. The Massa kid, while young and inexperienced, is very, very talented and replaces Hurley fairly nicely. Mr. Football? couldn't even venture a guess.

No many still start at 7:30.

Wow. But about what one should expect here. However, knowing the Beechwood kids and coaches, I'm quite certain they will show respect to their opponent, despite all the brilliant discourse on here.

Amen brother.

Oldguy I love your idea and approach but I've just GOT to upset your Apple Cart. That is definitely not the same field you guys played on (I know, I was around back then) in the "bad old days" of CovCath football. This is the new Holmes stadium. The silver railing that ran all the way around the field is gone, so is the cinder track and the seating on both sides of the field. The hill where the Bulldogs had to walk down from the Senior Building locker room is gone. No, you have no history there, don't be comfortable in the least! :thumb:

This was a really tough one for me. Holmes Grad, Homecoming, heck, it was even my class's 30th . . .ummmmm 10th reunion. On the other hand my one and only nephew plays for the Red Colonels. On the Holmes Coaching situation I'll say this . . .If Steve Lickert raises the bar in every way possible, then he is precisely the right guy for the job. With all due respect to previous coaching staffs, I've seen more positive things surrounding the Bulldogs in the two games I've gotten to see than in the past 10 or so years combined. I'm not questioning anyone's effort here because I know how hard the coaches worked at Holmes in the past. However, chemistry is a funny thing, and when it's there, it just feels and looks right. At this time, the chemistry looks and feels right. It felt really good to walk out of a Holmes game and feel proud of the young men wearing the Crimson and white. On the Dixie situation . . . Coaches need to lead by example. Sideline "discussions" like some of what I witnessed don't lend themselves to instilling confidence in your young proteges. Play calling aside, get to a base offense and stick with it will you please? I know how disappointed some of the players are, they haven't lost confidence, but they're on the edge. Time for somebody to step up.

That is what was being said. Most of the higher profile big-school teams around the state keep their teams intact all summer as either AAu or Legion or USSSA teams.. They cannot wear school uniforms, use school equipment, and must pay the going rate to rent the facilities. Aside form those basic restrictions, and observance of the dead period, they can coach their teams.

You are incorrect. They may coach their teams after the conclusion of the school calendar year with the exception of the dead period.

No, no. I absolutely am not proposing making any decisions based on the actions of outside forces, just explaining the hows and why's and the realities of recruiting for college baseball coaches. You questioned the reasoning being put forth and I merely wanted to explain the realities as I have come to know them. The KHSAA has no jurisdiction when it comes to summer programs and shouldn't. But asking them to have consideration when making decisions that could affect student-athletes should not be out of the realm of possibilities either. You are right, many kids in our "immediate gratification" society do find baseball boring, but the numbers of kids playing is still pretty high compared to what I had heard predicted for our sport. Me? Biased toward baeball? Where in the world would you get that idea? And S3 too? pshaw. And I share your view about "Communist kickball," go straight to the shootouts and I'm there! Bottom line is there is common ground and most coaches can find it. Again, it is the sins of the few that create the problems for the many.

LN I always respect your opinion here but in this I think your clear football bias is showing and perhaps you are a bit misinformed in some areas. While soccer did indeed make inroads into amateur baseball 20 years ago, that phenomem=non has disappeared quite frankly. Are baseball numbers down? Yes, but not to the extent that doomsdayers were predicting 1n 1985. A number of people have explained the problem with baseball scouting and recruiting and it is very true. Baseball seems to be the step-child of the NCAA even though the college world series is the third largest money-making event for the Association. Coaching staff cuts, scholarship limitations etc. seem to be the norm rather than the exception for the NCAA. With that said, however, more schools offer baseball than football so the numbers are less far apart than you might expect in terms of opportunities. If you'll look at the rosters of the college baseball programs in this state, they are chock full of in-state kids, and that speaks well of the baseball talent in our fine commonwealth. No baseball guy wants to place undue limitations on football. Heck, football weight programs (despite what someone said earlier) have helped my baseball programs for years. We don't want to hurt them, just stop hurting us, that's all.

Precisely correct. And with the budget limitations of the last NCAA meeting being imposed on baseball yet again, there will be even smaller staffs at most schools. REalize we're not talking about the Arizona's, the USC's, the Florida's et al. We're talking most ly DII, smaller DI and even DIII schools as well as NAIA's. And let me add this. Extending the dead period will only kill those summer programs that are run by high school coaches specifically to help their high school programs. The Midland's of the world would not be affected in the least. Select baseball won't be hurt by this, only the those players trying to get better under the tutelage of their high school coaches. Also, while I have run select baseball programs for years, I agree that 12 and 13 year-olds have absolutely no business playing 40 to 60 games in a summer. But do not lump high school age kids with a passion for the game and a realistic chance to move on to the next level in with 12 to 14 year-old kids. there really is only a small percentage of kids who are having to make the choices being bandied about in this thread. And, I'll say it again, I have had little problem working with the coaches here in No. Ky. (save a very specific few) about playing baseball as the football season starts up.

Sticky will you make this one?

And the choir said AMEN!! And it is usually those same guys (and women) that are also breaking the rules in terms of mandatory off-season participation and everything else that is being legislated today. As I have said all along, we keep making rules and more rules that are the result of the sins of a very few, yet they adversely affect the majority.

You are quite right there, but my personal experience has been there are more that will work with you if you are up front and approach them, than there are those who will not. I admit, I've been burned by a coach or two that turned colors after I left them, but the vast majority that I have encountered were quite workable. A good coach understands that good athletes will usually play multiple sports and would rather not risk losing them over being bullheaded.

Perhaps where you come from football is limited, but I can assure you, here in No. Ky. football is year-round at most programs. Weights, conditioning, passing camps, 7-on-7 etc. JUST LIKE OTHER SPORTS. Nobody is exactly exempt from this argument. And just as a side note, between club soccer, indoor, etc., soccer does have the same consideration.

I never said you could with football. Never even intimated it. And I also know foir a fact you cannot do it in the other two either. Pick-up games of basketball or baseball, just like pick-up football games, are hardly comparable to organized competition in any sport.

WRONG. With all due respect you are dead wrong on this one. What do you think college baseball coaches are doing during the High School baseball season? They're coaching their own teams because that is their college season as well. Collegiate baseball coaching staffs are no where near the size of collegiate football or basketball staffs. If there are two people they're doing pretty well, a third is almost unheard of. While I don't propose to have the definitive answer here, I will say that no situation involving young athletes can be an all or nothing proposition. I have had great success working with other coaches in other sports and even from other schools to help student athletes play multiple sports, and with a high degree of skill to boot!! It is the mentality that some on here show, that (insert whatever sport you love) is THE MOST important and all others are secondary, that creates the problems for the students. Football does NOT require year-round workouts anymore than basketball or baseball. And, how in the world can someone earlier say you can just walk in and play basketball and baseball without preparation? Mutiple sports create multiple opportunities for students AND teaches them the things they are SUPPOSED to be getting from participation: competitiveness, sportsmanship, winning and losing with class and dignity, handling pressure.