Show me any other manager this year that sent their closer into the game with a 5 run lead when he pitched over 30 pitches the night before. It's even worse that they had a game the next day.

 

Dusty said after the game that he sent him. The question was specifically asked did he go on his own or did you send him. "No I sent him that's why it's called stealing"

 

Coco was in a bad spot yesterday and he was put there by his manager.

 

1) I don't pay too close of attention to many other teams so I wouldn't know that. Feel free to do that research. However, if you don't think managers put guys back out there, as soon as possible, after a bad outing, I don't know what to tell you. The player, and manager, want to get rid of that negative energy.

 

2) Okay, big deal. He sent Stubbs on the wrong pitch. You, nor I, have any idea what their tendencies are with pitchouts. Maybe the scouting report says they pitch out on a different pitch. While we're at it, show me another MLB manager that has never guessed wrong on a steal attempt.

 

3) CoCo was in a bad spot because he had a bad week? He's a closer, that's what they do.

 

4) I never said that Dusty made the ultimate decision, re-read who posted that.

 

5) Dusty still makes far more correct calls than incorrect calls, of course, that goes without notice.

Show me any other manager this year that sent their closer into the game with a 5 run lead when he pitched over 30 pitches the night before. It's even worse that they had a game the next day.

 

Dusty said after the game that he sent him. The question was specifically asked did he go on his own or did you send him. "No I sent him that's why it's called stealing"

 

Coco was in a bad spot yesterday and he was put there by his manager.

 

One of Dusty's biggest positives is he sticks up for his players no matter what. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out Stubbs really went on his own, and Dusty did what he always does, took the blame.

1) I don't pay too close of attention to many other teams so I wouldn't know that. Feel free to do that research. However, if you don't think managers put guys back out there, as soon as possible, after a bad outing, I don't know what to tell you. The player, and manager, want to get rid of that negative energy.

 

2) Okay, big deal. He sent Stubbs on the wrong pitch. You, nor I, have any idea what their tendencies are with pitchouts. Maybe the scouting report says they pitch out on a different pitch. While we're at it, show me another MLB manager that has never guessed wrong on a steal attempt.

 

3) CoCo was in a bad spot because he had a bad week? He's a closer, that's what they do.

 

4) I never said that Dusty made the ultimate decision, re-read who posted that.

 

5) Dusty still makes far more correct calls than incorrect calls, of course, that goes without notice.

 

It doesn't happen often. You can fall back on that weak excuse but closers are rarely put into games with a 5 run lead unless they need work. Coco threw 31 pitches the night before. He didn't need work.

 

It wasn't only going on the wrong pitch it was going at all and making it far more likely for Votto not to get a chance in a game they were down 1. Getting caught just made it worse. I don't care what the numbers say they had a meeting then threw a pitch out.

 

He was in a bad spot because he was tired because he threw over 50 pitches in the previous 40 hours. Coco has been great this year. He had a bad week. It happens. I'm not mad about him. He shouldn't have gone Saturday and since he did someone else should have gone yesterday.

 

My bad. I took it down before you clicked it.

 

Of course he makes good decisions. Everyone does. He makes a lot of terrible decisions. A lot.

One of Dusty's biggest positives is he sticks up for his players no matter what. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out Stubbs really went on his own, and Dusty did what he always does, took the blame.

 

Possibly, but even guys that have green lights have to know the situation and have to be coached on what to do in certain situations. ie...Down 1, 1 out, Votto on deck do not get caught stealing. Even if he was safe more than likely Votto doens't get a swing unless Cairo would have reached safely. Either way it goes to the manager in some way or another.

Possibly, but even guys that have green lights have to know the situation and have to be coached on what to do in certain situations. ie...Down 1, 1 out, Votto on deck do not get caught stealing. Even if he was safe more than likely Votto doens't get a swing unless Cairo would have reached safely. Either way it goes to the manager in some way or another.

 

Here's the beauty of baseball. If Stubbs doesn't go and Cairo hits into a DP, people would be complaining that the best base stealer on the team wasn't stealing when down 1. If Stubbs goes, makes it, Cairo gets a hit, great move.

 

Hindsight coaches are awesome.

Possibly, but even guys that have green lights have to know the situation and have to be coached on what to do in certain situations. ie...Down 1, 1 out, Votto on deck do not get caught stealing. Even if he was safe more than likely Votto doens't get a swing unless Cairo would have reached safely. Either way it goes to the manager in some way or another.

 

I agree, but only to an extent. Hatcher is in charge of baserunning if I'm not mistaken. If Stubbs has the green light there, and doesn't understand the situation, it's on Hatcher moreso than Dusty IMO.

Here's the beauty of baseball. If Stubbs doesn't go and Cairo hits into a DP, people would be complaining that the best base stealer on the team wasn't stealing when down 1. If Stubbs goes, makes it, Cairo gets a hit, great move.

 

Hindsight coaches are awesome.

 

I would take my chances that he didn't hit into a double play, but you are right that was a possibilty. My point that you are ignoring, probably because I make too much sense, is even if he makes it the most likely scenario was Votto would have had the bat taken out of his hands.

 

People who think managers can't make mistakes are better.

I agree, but only to an extent. Hatcher is in charge of baserunning if I'm not mistaken. If Stubbs has the green light there, and doesn't understand the situation, it's on Hatcher moreso than Dusty IMO.

 

Either way it's coaching. Dusty did however instantly say he made that decision.

Even though I don't follow baseball, I wanted to say "Go Pirates!"

I would take my chances that he didn't hit into a double play, but you are right that was a possibilty. My point that you are ignoring, probably because I make too much sense, is even if he makes it the most likely scenario was Votto would have had the bat taken out of his hands.

 

People who think managers can't make mistakes are better.

 

So you don't see that as a plausible scenario if he stands pat and Cairo gets out? You don't think they wouldn't at least consider walking Votto and take their chances with BP?

Even though I don't follow baseball, I wanted to say "Go Pirates!"

 

You have been waiting a long long time to say that. :lol:

So you don't see that as a plausible scenario if he stands pat and Cairo gets out? You don't think they wouldn't at least consider walking Votto and take their chances with BP?

 

Yes it's plausible. If he was on second however it was far more likely. Even in your sitaution second would have been given freely to Stubbs they wouldn't have risked an out.

Dusty is not out there at the plate for this team in clutch situations. The Reds are 2nd worst in the NL in batting average (.200) with the bases loaded, behind only the Dodgers. Granted they are in the top 3 in regards to average with runners on and in scoring position, but their inability to hit with two runners in scoring position has been a big problem in the first half of this season. It showed a few times throughout this last series in Milwaukee.

When I hear of a better replacement I'd maybe think about considering jumping on the bandwagon.

 

I would be interested in seeing who they could get. I don't think Dusty is a horrible manager, I just think he was more of a guy that could get Cincy on the right track but doesn't have the capability of taking them to the next level in terms of contention or consistency.

My point that you are ignoring, probably because I make too much sense.

 

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