Trinity offense vs. St. X defense

 

St. X will try to make this a field position game, like they did last time. The last game was so thoroughly controlled by the St. X defense - which gave the offense short fields repeatedly - that it never even felt like Trinity had a chance.

 

That said, Trinity does have the best WR group in the state, and a QB who impressed me in September despite the relentless pressure he faced from the St. X front. Will Trinity be able to run at all against St. X? They have the athletes to do it, but if they don't have success and give up the run early, St. X might shut down their passing game again.

 

T-alum is correct in his appraisal of Trinity's offense, to a degree. Yes, it is probably the most complex passing offense anyone in the state is running. But is it a good one to run at the high school level? I'm still not convinced that it is. Bill Diedrick and Willingham ran a very similar offense at Notre Dame, and it never produced against equal or better competition because of its predictability in the running game and the extreme burden it puts on the QB making reads after the snap as opposed to allowing him to check out of a bad play pre-snap.

 

Trinity will need Petrino to get rid of the ball quickly to avert the St. X pressure - but he may struggle to complete short slants and other "hot" passes because X's guys collapse the pocket and get their arms up very well, and he is no Manning stature-wise.

 

If I were Bob Beatty, I would feed X a steady diet of screens and QB runs on rollouts. Try to pound the ball right at them, and throw some quick hitches to the WR when St. X leaves them in single coverage on the outside. Try to get Senn or Orndorff mismatched on a St. X DE by using more motion and shifts. We'll see how much of this he does. To do the same thing he tried to do in game one would doom Trinity in this game.

 

St. X offense versus Trinity defense

Can Trinity's front seven be competitive? That is the question. They were for literally the first three plays in the first game, then the rest of the contest was the largest mismatch I've ever seen in this series.

 

The bottom line, IMO, is if Trinity can stop St. X from running to the outside. If the line can allow Mattingly can pick up 5 or so per toss like he did in the first contest, opening things up for Vic to run wild, then the only way Trinity will win this game is with multiple St. X turnovers. If the Rocks can't stop the St. X running game, then X will likely grind this game into a potential 28-7, 28-10 type affair.

 

If the St. X offensive line brings the same or greater intensity than they did in September, then Trinity will need an absolutely Herculean effort from Switzer, Wood etc. to have a shot.

 

 

This should be a good game, likely more competitive than the early-season lopsided affair. I expect Trinity to connect on a few of the deeper passes that they missed on before, and to have a little more success running the ball.

 

But I think ultimately the St. X offense, defense and special teams will be too much. Trinity is a formidable foe, a worthy adversary for a tough, talented St. X team. I see this one being decided by X's outstanding pass defense and its ability to run the ball in the second half.

 

Prediction:

St. X 162

Trinity 2

That is a GREAT locker room post. And with that ex-man education you should know that it wasn't a pun.

 

I am sure they really need my post for their motivation. I am sure that the last 2 years game tapes will do plenty to motivate them.

They were good also I know but Brohm could throw passes that 95% of the HS QB's cannot make and made him almost undefendable for HS athletes.

 

 

I guess DeQuese May, TaShawn McBroom, Norb Elbert, Jimmy Murray, Greg Zoeller, Steve Orndorff, Donald Barnett......they were average at best....

 

I've left off some other very talented O-linemen and skill players, and entire defenses....

I guess DeQuese May, TaShawn McBroom, Norb Elbert, Jimmy Murray, Greg Zoeller, Steve Orndorff, Donald Barnett......they were average at best....

 

I've left off some other very talented O-linemen and skill players, and entire defenses....

 

They were talented and so is this Trinity bunch but Brohm made the difference. I saw him do things that no other in this area have ever done with the ball and how he placed it.

I don't think anyone is trying to discredit how good those players were/are. But the point is that this year's group is arguably just as, if not more, talented than that one. What is the biggest difference in their recent offensive performance versus X? There's no Brohm to throw deep outs and slants with an accuracy that no other HS QB I've ever seen could. That completely changed the way teams had to defend Trinity.

 

It's no cut on their current players or past players.

 

 

 

I guess DeQuese May, TaShawn McBroom, Norb Elbert, Jimmy Murray, Greg Zoeller, Steve Orndorff, Donald Barnett......they were average at best....

 

I've left off some other very talented O-linemen and skill players, and entire defenses....

I don't think anyone is trying to discredit how good those players were/are. But the point is that this year's group is arguably just as, if not more, talented than that one. What is the biggest difference in their recent offensive performance versus X? There's no Brohm to throw deep outs and slants with an accuracy that no other HS QB I've ever seen could. That completely changed the way teams had to defend Trinity.

 

It's no cut on their current players or past players.

 

Correct, I love the boys at Trinity as much as the one's at X. I have coached several in the past that went to both schools and respect them all. Brohm was just unbelievable.

They were talented and so is this Trinity bunch but Brohm made the difference. I saw him do things that no other in this area have ever done with the ball and how he placed it.

 

 

I don't discredit him either...but he needed a great O-Line to give him time, he needed great skill players to move the ball, and to throw to. He needed a great defense to stop X from scoring. It's not like X was devoid of talent themselves.

 

My point is that when Trinity & X played in September, we were reeling from several things, unexpected (some season-ending) injuries, especially defensively.

 

To discredit the talents that played a role during the Brohm Era is akin to discrediting the talents of the X team, save Vic Anderson. He's amazing, but he needs those holes opened for him, and so on and so on.

To discredit the talents that played a role during the Brohm Era is akin to discrediting the talents of the X team, save Vic Anderson. He's amazing, but he needs those holes opened for him, and so on and so on.

 

I don't think the situations are analogous, necessarily. I think St. X would still have handled Trinity by at least 20 even if Vic had been out for the game. They were simply that dominant up front and defensively. I don't think that Trinity could have beaten St. X in any of the previous years with Brohm's backup starting.

 

Certainly, Brohm's teams benefitted from a stronger defense then (as well as a relatively much weaker St. X offense). But I still maintain that he was the sine qua non, the one player without whom Trinity would not have been able to win [Edit: I sort of agree with RP about the 2002 game now that he brings it up. That year, Trinity was very strong]. I don't think one such player necessarily exists for St. X, though Anderson is obviously a difference-maker.

The 2002 regular season game, we were better across all fronts.

X by as many as they want

If I only had a dollar for every "Brohm did it all" comment from X fans I'd be rich. I know he was great but everytime the 3 straight titles are mentioned its the same thing.....just gets old. Sorry I had to say it but it drives me crazy and has for the last 4 years, can we talk about this year please

If I only had a dollar for every "Brohm did it all" comment from X fans I'd be rich. I know he was great but everytime the 3 straight titles are mentioned its the same thing.....just gets old. Sorry I had to say it but it drives me crazy and has for the last 4 years, can we talk about this year please

Without Brohm, you'd still have a few, but it wouldn't be three straight.

 

Just my opinion.

 

But Brohm DID play for Trinity, so it's silly.

That is exactly the point of the last several post, Brohm is no longer playing for Trinity. Trinity has an unbelievably complex offence for a high school team, but that offence is not near as powerful without a player of Brohm’s caliber. I like Petrino, I think he is a good high school QB, but he is not in the same league as Brohm & I believe he will be the first to tell you that. That being said the Trinity offence has trouble against a defense that can put pressure on the QB and make him make quick decisions. A major factor in the game on Friday, like Clubberlang mentioned earlier is Petrino getting rid of the ball early. If he is unable to do this we may be watching a rerun of the September Game.

 

 

For anyone that needs a recap of the September Game, St. X Executes Plan Perfectly; Smack'em

I agree I think Petrino needs time and needs to be able to scramble and make some things happen, unlike the first game. I know the Rocks D has to play better this time but and that X's running game is great and you can only hope to slow down their offense. Which is why I believe the Rocks Offense is the key to the game.

That is exactly the point of the last several post, Brohm is no longer playing for Trinity. Trinity has an unbelievably complex offence for a high school team, but that offence is not near as powerful without a player of Brohm’s caliber. I like Petrino, I think he is a good high school QB, but he is not in the same league as Brohm & I believe he will be the first to tell you that. That being said the Trinity offence has trouble against a defense that can put pressure on the QB and make him make quick decisions. A major factor in the game on Friday, like Clubberlang mentioned earlier is Petrino getting rid of the ball early. If he is unable to do this we may be watching a rerun of the September Game.

 

 

For anyone that needs a recap of the September Game, St. X Executes Plan Perfectly; Smack'em

 

 

Is this the same as offense :lol: :lol: