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A complete misrepresentation of what he said.

People have a choice. They don't have to join. Just don't expect to find a large amount of work as a large amount of companies are unionized and most contracts are won by unionized entities. I pose the question why not join a union if you have a trade or find new employment at a unionized company? IMO, the pros of being in a union outweigh the cons.

 

Choice? Are you serious? If I'm qualified to hold a job then I shouldn't have to join a union to get that job. Again if unions are so great why would you have to force anyone to join. FWIW I've been in a union before, I sow NO PERSONAL BENEFIT to it and couldn't be out quick enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I think you're wrong but this is America you're allowed to be wrong. Shouldn't you be allowed to hold a job without being part of the corrupt union system?

A complete misrepresentation of what he said.

 

I disagree.

Choice? Are you serious? If I'm qualified to hold a job then I shouldn't have to join a union to get that job. Again if unions are so great why would you have to force anyone to join. FWIW I've been in a union before, I sow NO PERSONAL BENEFIT to it and couldn't be out quick enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I think you're wrong but this is America you're allowed to be wrong. Shouldn't you be allowed to hold a job without being part of the corrupt union system?

 

Absolutely. The point I am trying to make is that not all unions are corrupt. I hate to think that you think less of me and my co workers because we are union employees and proud of it. Our local union has been exceptional, IMO. It is obvious that you are close minded and see no positive in being in a union based on your experience and that is fine. That is your opinion which you are entitled to. To me your feelings about unions are no different than hating all black people because you got beat up by a black guy in the 7th grade. I wish you didn't feel that way.

 

 

I say they have a choice because in my plant when we interview people they are made aware they are applying for a union position. Some continue on some don't. Those that don't normally reapply for a non union position at my plant. By their own choice.

 

Much like you speak on your own experiences but I can only speak on mine.

Absolutely. The point I am trying to make is that not all unions are corrupt. I hate to think that you think less of me and my co workers because we are union employees and proud of it. Our local union has been exceptional, IMO. It is obvious that you are close minded and see no positive in being in a union based on your experience and that is fine. That is your opinion which you are entitled to. To me your feelings about unions are no different than hating all black people because you got beat up by a black guy in the 7th grade. I wish you didn't feel that way.

 

 

I say they have a choice because in my plant when we interview people they are made aware they are applying for a union position. Some continue on some don't. Those that don't normally reapply for a non union position at my plant. By their own choice.

 

Much like you speak on your own experiences but I can only speak on mine.

 

Good post. You and I are on different ends of most debate, including our views of unions, but I have to admire the way you present your arguments. Except of course when we're talking Highlands vs Boyle Co football.

Good post. You and I are on different ends of most debate, including our views of unions, but I have to admire the way you present your arguments. Except of course when we're talking Highlands vs Boyle Co football.

 

 

:lol::lol:

 

And to think that is coming up soon......:thumb:

 

 

Thank you. I am trying to be more rational so my points are more clear.

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Absolutely. The point I am trying to make is that not all unions are corrupt. I hate to think that you think less of me and my co workers because we are union employees and proud of it. Our local union has been exceptional, IMO. It is obvious that you are close minded and see no positive in being in a union based on your experience and that is fine. That is your opinion which you are entitled to. To me your feelings about unions are no different than hating all black people because you got beat up by a black guy in the 7th grade. I wish you didn't feel that way.

 

 

I say they have a choice because in my plant when we interview people they are made aware they are applying for a union position. Some continue on some don't. Those that don't normally reapply for a non union position at my plant. By their own choice.

 

Much like you speak on your own experiences but I can only speak on mine.

 

See I don't consider that a choice. If you're qualified you should be hired regardless of your union status. I honestly wonder how many companies would remain union shops if Kentucky were a right to work state. I also have to wonder aloud why right to work states that I'm aware of (Florida, Texas) are growing jobs while Kentucky is losing them. Again I'll ask the question, if being in a union was such a great thing then why do they have to mandate membership? Why has union membership in right to work states declined? As long as the politicians in Kentucky are so solidly in the pockets of unions we'll remain at or near the bottom in education and we will continue to lose (or be unable to attract good jobs). You say I'm closed minded well my friend I could say the same about you because you're unwilling to see anything but your Utopian view of the cess pools that are modern unions. Maybe your's isn't but IMVHO that puts them in a very small minority and I would be willing to bet if you followed it to it's national level you would find that it's not as pristine as you think it is.

See I don't consider that a choice. If you're qualified you should be hired regardless of your union status. I honestly wonder how many companies would remain union shops if Kentucky were a right to work state. I also have to wonder aloud why right to work states that I'm aware of (Florida, Texas) are growing jobs while Kentucky is losing them. Again I'll ask the question, if being in a union was such a great thing then why do they have to mandate membership? Why has union membership in right to work states declined? As long as the politicians in Kentucky are so solidly in the pockets of unions we'll remain at or near the bottom in education and we will continue to lose (or be unable to attract good jobs). You say I'm closed minded well my friend I could say the same about you because you're unwilling to see anything but your Utopian view of the cess pools that are modern unions. Maybe your's isn't but IMVHO that puts them in a very small minority and I would be willing to bet if you followed it to it's national level you would find that it's not as pristine as you think it is.

 

I definitely am aware with how things become murky as you go up to the national level of my very own union. My local union doesn't see eye to eye on a lot of things with our regional and national leadership. Our national union has shown no concern whatsoever about our local union and how we want things done for us at our plant. We know this, accept it and continue to look out for one another locally and regionally. Despite that we still remain a strong union and with good local leadership we will continue to remain strong as well as maintain a great relationship with our company regardless of what national may want us to do. Maintaining and nurturing our relationship with our company is what is and should be most important for us.

 

More often than not the people who choose not become part of our union are usually over qualified for our entry level union job anyways and our interview process would expose that. Those that really want to be a part of our company reapply for company positions. We also have quite a few company people who started out as union employees and applied for and received a non union company position and left the union. At my plant you can leave the union and still work at our plant as a non union salaried employee.

 

I guess every place is different. My plant, Corning Incorporated, finished #8 in the state in the Best Places to Work contest. We are the only factory in the top 10 and a lot of that has to do with our strong relationship between the union and the company.

 

 

As for the whole state and its employment woes I can't answer that. We are undergoing a huge multi million dollar expansion at work. We have hired 15 new people since March 1 and have two rounds of interviews starting tomorrow for at least 6-10 more employees. We also have at least 100 contractors(some unionized, some not) doing a lot of the construction going on at my plant as well. Another local factory recently announced a multi millionaire expansion and have plans to hire 80 new employees. Things are looking up in this part of the state. To my knowledge that plant is not unionized.

Go to YouTube and check out the Don Smith Show "Gas Price Hyprocrisy". You will see videos on how the Dems blasted Bush for high gas prices, including Obama himself, but then you will see video of Dems today saying higher gas prices are good.

Once again including Obama making fun of an average American and the truck he owns. Obama does not know if this man owns such a large truck for his business or not. In fact it is not Obama's business what-so-ever.

After some of the brazen things I've seen in the past decade, I think the oil business figures it can pretty much get away with anything, so while I'm outraged, it's also tempered by resignation/disappointment. The same resignation and disappointment I feel about the whole national political process, which is horribly, inextricably corrupt and broken.

 

That's how I feel Jim. Frustrated. A little angry. And, hopeless.

I'm having a hard time figuring this out. Oil is now at $97 but gas remains at $3.89 and should be around $3.50 if not lower.

I'm having a hard time figuring this out. Oil is now at $97 but gas remains at $3.89 and should be around $3.50 if not lower.

 

I was thinking the same thing.

I'm having a hard time figuring this out. Oil is now at $97 but gas remains at $3.89 and should be around $3.50 if not lower.

 

I put a post in the speculator thread. This is where the true gouging comes into play when it goes down, not up.

So last week oil was at $114 and gas at $3.89. Oil drops to $97 and gas doesn't move. Oil is back up to $103 and the afternoon gas went up to $4.09.

More...http://blog.heritage.org/2011/05/13/morning-bell-the-truth-behind-oil-subsidies/