It will be interesting to see Trinity play a school with similar enrollment numbers.

 

RobDig,

Actually you were the one who injected enrollment numbers into the discussion...suggesting were you not that Trinity had not played or beaten a team this year with "similar enrollment numbers"? Others suggested the Elder game was against such a school and you then posted a misleading link showing Elder had like 600 students in 2008 in grades 10 thru 12. They actually have over a 1000 boys. What division does Elder play in Ohio? Don't they play in the same division as X, Colerain, and Moeller?

 

What follows is from Elder's web site:

"As Elder began to grow, a certain spirit and character known as Elder grew with it. During its early years the school was co-educational; however, in 1928 Seton High School was established to accommodate girls, leaving Elder an all boys' school staffed by the priests of the Archdiocese and lay teachers. Since then Elder has grown into one of the largest all boys' schools in the Archdiocese and in the state.

 

In the 1930's a group of faculty members and students began work on what has become the premier high school football stadium in the city. The real impetus of construction, however, took place in the mid-1940's. In December of 1947 the stadium was completed. The stadium can accommodate more than 9,000 people and has attracted more than a million and a half fans over its half-century existence."

 

It appears that the school itself does not consider itself to be a small or mid-size school.

T wins this one by a little. Why? Home field advantage and their loaded with talent.

T wins this one by a little. Why? Home field advantage and their loaded with talent.

 

TD

 

Hope your right but it will be our most difficult test. Let's hope for a good competitive game with no injuries.

 

Take 'em one at a time.

GO ROCKS :ylsuper:

RobDig,

Actually you were the one who injected enrollment numbers into the discussion...suggesting were you not that Trinity had not played or beaten a team this year with "similar enrollment numbers"? Others suggested the Elder game was against such a school and you then posted a misleading link showing Elder had like 600 students in 2008 in grades 10 thru 12. They actually have over a 1000 boys. What division does Elder play in Ohio? Don't they play in the same division as X, Colerain, and Moeller?

 

What follows is from Elder's web site:

"As Elder began to grow, a certain spirit and character known as Elder grew with it. During its early years the school was co-educational; however, in 1928 Seton High School was established to accommodate girls, leaving Elder an all boys' school staffed by the priests of the Archdiocese and lay teachers. Since then Elder has grown into one of the largest all boys' schools in the Archdiocese and in the state.

 

In the 1930's a group of faculty members and students began work on what has become the premier high school football stadium in the city. The real impetus of construction, however, took place in the mid-1940's. In December of 1947 the stadium was completed. The stadium can accommodate more than 9,000 people and has attracted more than a million and a half fans over its half-century existence."

 

It appears that the school itself does not consider itself to be a small or mid-size school.

The most important point you left out is that Trinity is still a much larger school. I also supported my claim with the performance of larger schools vs smaller schools study that was done. Having at least 300 more boys is a huge difference.

I don't know if I am right just an opinion.

 

I do agree on the difficult test. I also believe it will be the best team they will face this year.

The most important point you left out is that Trinity is still a much larger school. I also supported my claim with the performance of larger schools vs smaller schools study that was done. Having at least 300 more boys is a huge difference.

 

:puke: :cry:

The most important point you left out is that Trinity is still a much larger school. I also supported my claim with the performance of larger schools vs smaller schools study that was done. Having at least 300 more boys is a huge difference.

 

Or the cloning lab is the difference!

The most important point you left out is that Trinity is still a much larger school. I also supported my claim with the performance of larger schools vs smaller schools study that was done. Having at least 300 more boys is a huge difference.

 

No, its not a "huge difference". If it was "huge", then Elder wouldn't have bothered scheduling Trinity and vice versa. By the way, the stats posted on the link don't support your argument that "300 more boys is a huge difference". According to stats posted on this blog Fairfield Oh was the largest school in D1 in 2007 with over 1200 boys. They didn't make the playoffs, and in fact lost every game on their schedule. There was no analysis showing a statistically significant advantage for a school over another school if they had enrollment numbers of 300 more students than their opponenet. All this blogger did was basically divide all D1 schools in half as either "large" or "small" and look at the win percentage(large won 54% vs. 46%). Was this win percentage based on total wins of both groups or head to head competition(large vs. small)? Assuming it was head-to-head, 8% difference to me is not "huge" and if you plug the numbers into a statistical significance calculator they are not "statistically signficant".

You should have just said, "Elder is down this year, it will be interesting to see how they do against a better large school like Cincy X." Nobody's buying the argument that Trinity eeked out a victory against a little ole private school from the cornfields of Ohio.

No, its not a "huge difference". If it was "huge", then Elder wouldn't have bothered scheduling Trinity and vice versa. By the way, the stats posted on the link don't support your argument that "300 more boys is a huge difference". According to stats posted on this blog Fairfield Oh was the largest school in D1 in 2007 with over 1200 boys. They didn't make the playoffs, and in fact lost every game on their schedule. There was no analysis showing a statistically significant advantage for a school over another school if they had enrollment numbers of 300 more students than their opponenet. All this blogger did was basically divide all D1 schools in half as either "large" or "small" and look at the win percentage(large won 54% vs. 46%). Was this win percentage based on total wins of both groups or head to head competition(large vs. small)? Assuming it was head-to-head, 8% difference to me is not "huge" and if you plug the numbers into a statistical significance calculator they are not "statistically signficant".

You should have just said, "Elder is down this year, it will be interesting to see how they do against a better large school like Cincy X." Nobody's buying the argument that Trinity eeked out a victory against a little ole private school from the cornfields of Ohio.

 

A St. X guy defending the Rocks. I think I have like crossed dimensions or something into bizzaro world.

Size matters but you still have to push the right buttons.

No, its not a "huge difference". If it was "huge", then Elder wouldn't have bothered scheduling Trinity and vice versa. By the way, the stats posted on the link don't support your argument that "300 more boys is a huge difference". According to stats posted on this blog Fairfield Oh was the largest school in D1 in 2007 with over 1200 boys. They didn't make the playoffs, and in fact lost every game on their schedule. There was no analysis showing a statistically significant advantage for a school over another school if they had enrollment numbers of 300 more students than their opponenet. All this blogger did was basically divide all D1 schools in half as either "large" or "small" and look at the win percentage(large won 54% vs. 46%). Was this win percentage based on total wins of both groups or head to head competition(large vs. small)? Assuming it was head-to-head, 8% difference to me is not "huge" and if you plug the numbers into a statistical significance calculator they are not "statistically signficant".

You should have just said, "Elder is down this year, it will be interesting to see how they do against a better large school like Cincy X." Nobody's buying the argument that Trinity eeked out a victory against a little ole private school from the cornfields of Ohio.

 

300 more boys is a huge difference. What if Highlands had to pick from 700 instead of 400? What the study did was go through every single class and the larger schools won in every class in Ohio. I never put Elder down, they have developed a great football tradition. If you were a coach would you rather pick from 1000 random boys or pick from 1300 random boys?

300 more boys is a huge difference. What if Highlands had to pick from 700 instead of 400? What the study did was go through every single class and the larger schools won in every class in Ohio. I never put Elder down, they have developed a great football tradition. If you were a coach would you rather pick from 1000 random boys or pick from 1300 random boys?

 

 

I don't get the "pick" from comment...ever. Kids pick your program, not the other way around. And if you can't get the best to pick your program, it doesn't matter whether you have 12 or 1300 to pick from. Further, it doesn't explain the success/failure disparity of programs of similar size. Dixie Heights doesn't have the number of boys we have. Yet they beat us. It's not the number of boys in the school. It's much, MUCH more than that. Anyone who thinks other than that is looking for an easy excuse to justify lackluster performance.

I don't get the "pick" from comment...ever. Kids pick your program, not the other way around. And if you can't get the best to pick your program, it doesn't matter whether you have 12 or 1300 to pick from. Further, it doesn't explain the success/failure disparity of programs of similar size. Dixie Heights doesn't have the number of boys we have. Yet they beat us. It's not the number of boys in the school. It's much, MUCH more than that. Anyone who thinks other than that is looking for an easy excuse to justify lackluster performance.

 

That may be true with PRIVATE schools. Kids can pick a private school but in a public school you get, for the most part, what is handed to you. Your 12 vs. 1300 arguement doesnt make sense at all, please elaborate on your comment how picking from 12 and 1300 have the same chance at success.

 

You are 100% correct that it does not explain the success of a program, but that is not what I am trying to say. What I am saying is that it is an advantage to have more boys to pick from because every extra boy there is, there is a greater chance of getting more boys to come out for football.

 

The last comment about justifying a lackluster performance... Where did that come from? Please enlighten me on which lackluster performance are you talking about.

 

Look I am just saying that schools that have larger numbers have a greater chance at success. Do you really think the Yankees would be that good every year without their $200 million payroll? Trinity or St. X should win every year and they do, I just like to see what they can do against competition that has a student population of boys their size.

That may be true with PRIVATE schools. Kids can pick a private school but in a public school you get, for the most part, what is handed to you. Your 12 vs. 1300 arguement doesnt make sense at all, please elaborate on your comment how picking from 12 and 1300 have the same chance at success.

 

You are 100% correct that it does not explain the success of a program, but that is not what I am trying to say. What I am saying is that it is an advantage to have more boys to pick from because every extra boy there is, there is a greater chance of getting more boys to come out for football.

 

The last comment about justifying a lackluster performance... Where did that come from? Please enlighten me on which lackluster performance are you talking about.

 

Look I am just saying that schools that have larger numbers have a greater chance at success. Do you really think the Yankees would be that good every year without their $200 million payroll? Trinity or St. X should win every year and they do, I just like to see what they can do against competition that has a student population of boys their size.

 

Check it out...there are public school districts out there that allow you to CHOOSE your school. So, remove that from the equation.

 

You are trying to paint an unfair advantage, and that's what I am trying to say...it isn't in the numbers.

 

You need look no further than Highlands to see a public school that consistently plays schools much larger than they, public and private, who achieve consistent, successful results.

 

You don't "get" it at all when it comes to the success of Trinity & X. You want to paint it as an easy task because of the number of students in the school. The fact is, without the coaching, support, buy in, discipline, time, effort, conditioning (kudos to Coach Maddox, probably the most unmentioned key to success at Trinity), it doesn't matter how many kids are on the team. There are 4 words: Pride, Loyalty, Discipline, Achievement. Trinity isn't the only school that can ascribe to that.

Edited September 15, 201016 yr by rockmom

I think we can all agree that Trinity has a heck of a team this year, and if there's one KY team that may be able to beat Cincy St. X this Friday it's Trinity. Take it to 'em Rocks!