I will give you all the forcing pledges to drink and do dangerous stunts and things like that. But as I said, which everyone just looked right past...there are all kinds of dumb tasks such as washing cars, carrying books, cleaning the house, doing laundry, and etc. that fraterntities are consitently getting in trouble for on a weekly basis on college campuses.

 

So its totally wrong from them to partake in these activities, even though its tradition for many years, but it is okay for grown men to do in professional sport leagues? Now that is apples to apples.

For what it's worth, they did a poll on ESPN and the results showed that 73% think that Dez should carry the bags. What an idiotic way to start one's pro career. Bad move. While he has million dollar talent, he has a ten cent head. Great.

 

Wonder what the percentage would say if the question was, "Should the pledge do the laundry?". There would be a complete double standard...I'm sure of it.

Wonder what the percentage would say if the question was, "Should the pledge do the laundry?". There would be a complete double standard...I'm sure of it.

 

 

Actually there isn't a double standard. It's because of the history of going overboard with hazing that has given people the wrong idea when you mention hazing and fraternities in the same sentence. If all they did were exactly what these NFL camps did then people wouldn't care. It's when they get out of hand that people get mad when they do the slightest thing now, in fear that it'll get out of control. The saying "A few bad apples ruin the whole bunch" would fit nicely with hazing and fraternities.

Give me his contract and I will carry manure out to the field.

:lol::lol::lol:

 

Seriously? All this over carrying pads? Great way to start your pro career. Put up a barrier with your teammates from the start.

 

I mean, really, no one else is "just there to win championships." They are there to carry someone else's pads. It's not like they rubbed "Atomic Balm" on his jock strap or anything. Or at least they weren't going to.......

Because these are grown men. They aren't little kids.

 

It compares more than you give it credit for though.

For what it's worth, they did a poll on ESPN and the results showed that 73% think that Dez should carry the bags. What an idiotic way to start one's pro career. Bad move. While he has million dollar talent, he has a ten cent head. Great.

 

Why's it a bad move? Because of some childish immature tradition that exists?

Actually there isn't a double standard. It's because of the history of going overboard with hazing that has given people the wrong idea when you mention hazing and fraternities in the same sentence. If all they did were exactly what these NFL camps did then people wouldn't care. It's when they get out of hand that people get mad when they do the slightest thing now, in fear that it'll get out of control. The saying "A few bad apples ruin the whole bunch" would fit nicely with hazing and fraternities.

 

Okay, good post. Let me change my point of attack for a second...

 

There have been stories in the news in the last 5-10 years about hazing activities at the high school sports level, where things have gone completely out of control. If I really need to do the research to prove my point, I will, but I know some of you remember what I'm talking about. At first it was something small, that eventually escalated to dangerous and something terrible eventually happened. It's a tradition in pro sports, so its a tradition at the collegiate level, and then eventually high schools follow suit and on occassion something terrible happens. Grown men know where their is a line, many 15-18 year old in high school do not. If the dumb hazing activities that occur at the professional level were no longer considered "tradition" and were looked at as the stupid activities that they are, don't you think that would trickle down as well?

 

Hope that makes sense.

It's not like they rubbed "Atomic Balm" on his jock strap or anything. Or at least they weren't going to.......

 

My buddy did say, "Guess tomorrow's headlines will be: Dez Bryant gets tied to goal post" lol.

Okay, good post. Let me change my point of attack for a second...

 

There have been stories in the news in the last 5-10 years about hazing activities at the high school sports level, where things have gone completely out of control. If I really need to do the research to prove my point, I will, but I know some of you remember what I'm talking about. At first it was something small, that eventually escalated to dangerous and something terrible eventually happened. It's a tradition in pro sports, so its a tradition at the collegiate level, and then eventually high schools follow suit and on occassion something terrible happens. Grown men know where their is a line, many 15-18 year old in high school do not. If the dumb hazing activities that occur at the professional level were no longer considered "tradition" and were looked at as the stupid activities that they are, don't you think that would trickle down as well?

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

I understand what you're saying and I do remember the stories from the dangerous hazing in high school, but until something like that happens on the professional level I don't see any reason to do anything about it. We see, especially in the NFL, a lot of bad character from these players especially off the field, but on the field these guys are a family and this is a part of what they do. It hasn't gotten out of hand because they know where to draw the line, and instead of telling them to stop it altogether then just have them talk about how it can be used as a bonding activity for teammates as long as it doesn't get out of hand or control.

Why's it a bad move? Because of some childish immature tradition that exists?

 

Wow, didn't realize this was such a touchy topic for you, seeing as how I have never heard you harping about how the practice needs to be abolished before. You never hear NBA rookies complaining when they have to bring doughnuts to practice and you've never heard an NFL rookie complain to carry pads before. So why now? Because this kid is a knucklehead and shouldn't be defended.

Wow, didn't realize this was such a touchy topic for you, seeing as how I have never heard you harping about how the practice needs to be abolished before. You never hear NBA rookies complaining when they have to bring doughnuts to practice and you've never heard an NFL rookie complain to carry pads before. So why now? Because this kid is a knucklehead and shouldn't be defended.

 

Touchy topic? :lol: If you say so.

 

My whole point is, why is Bryant being childish and a baby, when the whole concept of having a rookie carry other players pads is childish to begin with. It's childish that he refused to do so, but it's just as childish for veteran players to have rookies do it as well.

Because it shows that he's not willing to do what is "expected" of him in being a good teammate. Not a good start at all.

Wonder what the percentage would say if the question was, "Should the pledge do the laundry?". There would be a complete double standard...I'm sure of it.

I would venture that the majority would side with the fraternity in the above case as well. Pledges should do laundry. There's no harm in it.

How 'bout them Cowboys? It's always something.

 

I don't care if he carries the pads or not, but it could cause some friction within the team. For all the hype he's getting, Dez Bryant has yet to prove anything on an NFL football field. Rookie WR's generally don't fare that well, and WR's in general are a crapshoot. Roy Williams has proven far more in the NFL than Bryant.

 

I wonder how the other players feel about this, or if they care. And, would it be viewed differently if the guy refusing was 7th round pick Sean Lissemore?