I'm not sure about how basketball coaches gauge playing time versus playing in AAU, but I know I cannot think of a coach in football who punishes their players for playing basketball and not being able to participate in after school weights.

I'm not sure about how basketball coaches gauge playing time versus playing in AAU, but I know I cannot think of a coach in football who punishes their players for playing basketball and not being able to participate in after school weights.

 

I can.

I can.

 

It would be my guess there are alot of theses coaches (football and basketball) that feel this way, they just don't come out and say it in public.

Exactly, and everyone has to be able to cope with the decisions that are being made, especially parents.

 

We are coping with it, and we will not be wasting our time with basketball. Our son decided this, we didn't. He realized that they were not going to give him a chance and he has chosen to not waste his time. He didn't really want to play last year and went to the coaches to tell them only to have them talk him into it by telling him he would be used and play. They basically lied. So, folks can say what they want, but the football and baseball coaches at Corbin are much easier to work with when it comes to playing more than one sport. In fact, they encourage it. There are basketball coaches that try their best to get kids to play only basketball, talk athletes out of playing football, and if you don't show up for summer basketball, but are preparing for football, then don't expect to play; at least any significant minutes. They want you for a practice dummy only. The basketball coaches tried their best to talk Aaron Manns out of playing football. Aaron is 6'3", 270lbs, but he is a basketball player only? I don't think so. It would have been a huge mistake for him not to play football. He has college coaches from D-1 schools looking at him for FOOTBALL, however, not any at this level are currently looking at him for basketball. They are messing with these kids futures and it is not right. They also did a good job of burning Josh Crawford out in basketball, and because of this he most likely will not play again. Fortunately for him he will do well in whatever endeavor he chooses and has an academic scholly to Centre where he will pursue a law degree. Kids need to play whatever sport they want and be encouraged by all the coaches to do so. Coaches that do otherwise only care about themselves ---- not the kids. Really, sports should be about the kids, not the coaches.

Just as the football coaches make weightlifting, conditioning, passing scrimmages, and agilities a litmus test of who gets playing time and who doesn't. QUOTE]

 

Weightlifting , agilities and conditioning are all the same, they are done in the same time period. Passing games as well as the above mentioned are not done during high school basketball season, unlike AAU. AAU is one of the only extra-curriculars that I can think of that does interfere with a high school sport.

How does AAU affect football directly? Kids that play for their high school teams typically don't start until April. The national championships all end by the first week in August. If you are saying that it affects the "off season" football activities, I agree.

They are messing with these kids futures and it is not right. They also did a good job of burning Josh Crawford out in basketball, and because of this he most likely will not play again. Fortunately for him he will do well in whatever endeavor he chooses and has an academic scholly to Centre where he will pursue a law degree. Kids need to play whatever sport they want and be encouraged by all the coaches to do so. Coaches that do otherwise only care about themselves ---- not the kids. Really, sports should be about the kids, not the coaches.

 

You said a mouthfull there. Firstly parents need to realize that high school sports are not a grooming ground for college sports. Take a kid like Josh, he had the opportunity to play at the next level. He may or may not play, but no one can deny that he was an exceptional high school player. Only about 1 or 2 of every 100 high school football players will be offered a scholarship. Kids are just that...kids. They should be allowed to enjoy whatever sports they want, because they will never have the chance to play multiple sports in their lives. They do not need the added pressure of trying to play for a scholarship. They should play for each other and for championships. If a player is good enough, colleges WILL find him! Parents must be more realistic about sports. There is nothing in the world wrong with being a great high school player that can not play at the next level.

 

Secondly, learning to perform under pressure is crucial in high school sports. Most coaches want players to be versatile athletes. If they play only one sport this is not possible. If an athlete plays baseball for instance, he has approximately 30 more opportunities to perform with something on the line. If he only played football he would have a maximum of 15 possible performance events. Experience goes a long way in high school sports.

 

Now back to Corbin, they will be a solid club. It will be exciting to see the position battles this summer/fall to fill the voids left by graduation, especially at QB.

You said a mouthfull there. Firstly parents need to realize that high school sports are not a grooming ground for college sports. Take a kid like Josh, he had the opportunity to play at the next level. He may or may not play, but no one can deny that he was an exceptional high school player. Only about 1 or 2 of every 100 high school football players will be offered a scholarship. Kids are just that...kids. They should be allowed to enjoy whatever sports they want, because they will never have the chance to play multiple sports in their lives. They do not need the added pressure of trying to play for a scholarship. They should play for each other and for championships. If a player is good enough, colleges WILL find him! Parents must be more realistic about sports. There is nothing in the world wrong with being a great high school player that can not play at the next level.

 

Secondly, learning to perform under pressure is crucial in high school sports. Most coaches want players to be versatile athletes. If they play only one sport this is not possible. If an athlete plays baseball for instance, he has approximately 30 more opportunities to perform with something on the line. If he only played football he would have a maximum of 15 possible performance events. Experience goes a long way in high school sports.

 

Now back to Corbin, they will be a solid club. It will be exciting to see the position battles this summer/fall to fill the voids left by graduation, especially at QB.

 

 

I disagree that if a player can play, colleges will find him/her. There are kids that are overlooked every year and seem to have the false notion that college coaches will somehow magically know about them. IF they have the ability and the desire to play at the next level, they need to take some initiative and get their information out there.

 

With that being said, you are dead on accurate with the entire rest of your post. They are kids and need to enjoy the game. Like you said, only a very small percentage will actually have the opportunity to play in college. They should be allowed to enjoy it and play whatever sports they choose without a coach pressuring them to focus on just one sport. You nailed it that burnout often causes many talented players to just walk away from the game. Ferguson at Elliott County is a prime example. High school days are over before these kids know it! :thumb:

My point is that college sports should not be the high school athlete's primary focus. Coaches have a duty to promote able athletes; college coaches find good players through their high school coach's recomendation. Coahes must also be honest and realistic with their athletes about college and the recruiting process. It should be a goal for some kids, but not the goal.

We are coping with it, and we will not be wasting our time with basketball. Our son decided this, we didn't. He realized that they were not going to give him a chance and he has chosen to not waste his time. He didn't really want to play last year and went to the coaches to tell them only to have them talk him into it by telling him he would be used and play. They basically lied. So, folks can say what they want, but the football and baseball coaches at Corbin are much easier to work with when it comes to playing more than one sport. In fact, they encourage it. There are basketball coaches that try their best to get kids to play only basketball, talk athletes out of playing football, and if you don't show up for summer basketball, but are preparing for football, then don't expect to play; at least any significant minutes. They want you for a practice dummy only. The basketball coaches tried their best to talk Aaron Manns out of playing football. Aaron is 6'3", 270lbs, but he is a basketball player only? I don't think so. It would have been a huge mistake for him not to play football. He has college coaches from D-1 schools looking at him for FOOTBALL, however, not any at this level are currently looking at him for basketball. They are messing with these kids futures and it is not right. They also did a good job of burning Josh Crawford out in basketball, and because of this he most likely will not play again. Fortunately for him he will do well in whatever endeavor he chooses and has an academic scholly to Centre where he will pursue a law degree. Kids need to play whatever sport they want and be encouraged by all the coaches to do so. Coaches that do otherwise only care about themselves ---- not the kids. Really, sports should be about the kids, not the coaches.

 

I admit that I do not know all the details of this situation, but maybe the coaching staff originally thought that he would be in the rotation, then the circumstances changed and it just did not work out that way. The ankle injury he suffered in football may have played into it as well as several other factors. I'm pretty sure that he could have helped the team in some capacity last year if he could have started playing immediately after football, it just did not go down that way. It's hard to play three sports in high school these days with all the time demands.

My point is that college sports should not be the high school athlete's primary focus. Coaches have a duty to promote able athletes; college coaches find good players through their high school coach's recomendation. Coaches must also be honest and realistic with their athletes about college and the recruiting process. It should be a goal for some kids, but not the goal.

 

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I agreed with you 100% on nearly everything you said. Unfortunately many high school coaches are not interested to promote the kids and some others are not honest in their assessments. I recently read a recommendation letter from a high school coach which was really pumping a kid up into something he was not. But you are right, the goal should be to play, have fun, and learn valuable life lessons along the way. If college is an option, then add it to the list. But they must have the ability AND desire. It can't be the parent's wish, it must be the kid's.

I guess it does matter, since you have continued to bring it up?

 

Caleb was cleared to play mid January. Just about 2 or so weeks after the football boys got back. He never ever expected to start but surely he could've contributed at least in games when we killing teams by 40+ points. But instead he chose to play younger players. . . even after he had told Caleb he would be used. It really doesn't matter now, Caleb is fine with football and baseball.

 

The last time I checked this thread was about Corbin Football, and not a disgruntled parents attempt to convince everyone that her son was done wrong on a team that won their district and region and finished the season at 29-4. Shouldn’t you be happy that he was part of a team the experience such great success? I’m sure he was an asset in practice as well. A team has a variety of roles to be filled. I agree with 4CHS in the fact that he didn’t get back to basketball until late January, so it would have been hard for him to catch up with the rest of the team in such a short amount of time.

 

I also think you need to reconsider you statements about the Corbin coaching staff not letting kids play other sports. As I said in an earlier post there have been numerous players that have done well in both.

 

 

As far as Coach P telling his players not to play football, I just don’t see it happening. Off the top of my head I remember Steven Cook, Brad Lawson, Ryan Tate, Josh Ware, Jeremy Brock, and Clint Cashen all playing major roles for the basketball team and they all where predominantly “football players”. Manns pretty much started from the day he came back out to basketball. When did Caleb get cleared to play? It would have been extremely hard for anyone to break into the rotation Corbin had this season, much less a kid like Caleb that was hurt half the season.

 

There were plenty of kids that could have played had they not been on such a talented team. Hopkins, Watkins, Freeman, Taylor just to name a few. Maybe you should reconsider things and tell Caleb to play next year as I would say he could help out.

Corbin will have to add some depth. I felt last year that kids having to play on both sides of the ball really hurt them towards the end of the year. It would be nice to see some kids get a chance early and gain some experience for later in the year. It may cost them a few point early on in the season, but will pay dividends as the year progresses.

 

Corbin will also have to open up some holes for the big boys to run through. As talented as the running backs are on this team it’s an impossibility to run through people on a consistent basis.

 

Develop some sort of passing game. I would assume that most teams will load the line and force Corbin to go against their strength.

 

I would like to see Matthew Taylor take some snaps at quarterback next season. He really seems to have a lot of athleticism. It would also give Coach Farris a chance to devise some options that would include Watkins, Fritts, and Taylor all in the back field at the same time.

 

I’m looking forward to what could be a great season for the Hounds.

I guess it does matter, since you have continued to bring it up?

 

 

 

The last time I checked this thread was about Corbin Football, and not a disgruntled parents attempt to convince everyone that her son was done wrong on a team that won their district and region and finished the season at 29-4. Shouldn’t you be happy that he was part of a team the experience such great success? I’m sure he was an asset in practice as well. A team has a variety of roles to be filled. I agree with 4CHS in the fact that he didn’t get back to basketball until late January, so it would have been hard for him to catch up with the rest of the team in such a short amount of time.

 

I also think you need to reconsider you statements about the Corbin coaching staff not letting kids play other sports. As I said in an earlier post there have been numerous players that have done well in both.

 

 

 

There were plenty of kids that could have played had they not been on such a talented team. Hopkins, Watkins, Freeman, Taylor just to name a few. Maybe you should reconsider things and tell Caleb to play next year as I would say he could help out.

 

The subject was brought up again because we were discussing AAU. My only point is you just do not treat kids the way some coaches treat them. You don't wait until there is 40 seconds left in a game and then put a Jr in after putting all other subs in, even freshmen who have not proved themselves. When a kid works his butt off his 9th and 10th grade years, doesn't miss a practice, doesn't miss a game, and proves himself, you don't give him the silent treatment and act like your doing him a favor by letting play for one minute a game when your up by 40 points. What's the big deal in beating Williamsburg by 45 points? Some of the teams we beat would have their subs in the 3rd period and we were still playing our starters. Coaches should not give kids the silent treatment, they should talk to their players and be honest with them.

 

We don't make Caleb's sports decisions, he does not have a desire to play any longer.

 

I have given my two-cents worth just like you.

 

Lets get back to discussing football, I am sure thats what you want.

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We are coping with it, and we will not be wasting our time with basketball. Our son decided this, we didn't. He realized that they were not going to give him a chance and he has chosen to not waste his time. He didn't really want to play last year and went to the coaches to tell them only to have them talk him into it by telling him he would be used and play. They basically lied. So, folks can say what they want, but the football and baseball coaches at Corbin are much easier to work with when it comes to playing more than one sport. In fact, they encourage it. There are basketball coaches that try their best to get kids to play only basketball, talk athletes out of playing football, and if you don't show up for summer basketball, but are preparing for football, then don't expect to play; at least any significant minutes. They want you for a practice dummy only. The basketball coaches tried their best to talk Aaron Manns out of playing football. Aaron is 6'3", 270lbs, but he is a basketball player only? I don't think so. It would have been a huge mistake for him not to play football. He has college coaches from D-1 schools looking at him for FOOTBALL, however, not any at this level are currently looking at him for basketball. They are messing with these kids futures and it is not right. They also did a good job of burning Josh Crawford out in basketball, and because of this he most likely will not play again. Fortunately for him he will do well in whatever endeavor he chooses and has an academic scholly to Centre where he will pursue a law degree. Kids need to play whatever sport they want and be encouraged by all the coaches to do so. Coaches that do otherwise only care about themselves ---- not the kids. Really, sports should be about the kids, not the coaches.

I dont think Coach P was sending any messages or punishing Caleb, he just felt that he was doing what he needed to do in order to continue winning. He doesnt like to change what is working. There are plenty of players (and their parents) who felt like they should have gotten more playing time but after reflecting upon the season, things went pretty well at 29-4. Without players like Caleb and several others, the Team would not have captured the Region Crown and played in Rupp. I hope Caleb and the others who wanted more PT last year, choose to look forward and not backwards and return to play next season. The team definitely needs Caleb and others to shine next season in order to repeat as the Region Champs.