A two man crew is the best. I think with three, too many fouls are called; they get whistle happy with three.

IMO 3 refs are too many, I think they miss more calls than doing it with two.

All official associations need more officials--maybe you should join the ranks. It is easy to call a game from the stands--not quite the case on the hardwood. Honestly, I don't know of any officials that don't give a 100% while out on the court. It may not be up to your standards (typically those in the stands only see the game one-sided, that is not the way an official calls the game), but they work hard the entire game.

 

FYI I was in the ranks and did officiate twenty some years ago! I had friends who officiated then who could care less about the game, they did it for the extra money!!! Official's are like all walks of life, they have their good and they have their bad!!!! All officials don't give it 100% and some do call one sided!!!!! Some have even been caught cheating and penalized for it!!!!!!!!!! I was just pointing out a flaw I saw in the three man, and it happens whether anyone likes it or not!!!!!!!!!!

I think the term "missed call" here is all relative. In terms of action on/around the ball (the ball-handler, the shooter, the rebounder) you aren't going to get any better calls with 3 refs instead of 2. There will always be ONE official watching that ball--it's just a matter of what they are or aren't going to call. What you add with a 3rd official is the off-the-ball fouls and weakside fouls. With 3 officials, you will see more illegal screens called, pushing/holding away from the ball going for rebounds, etc.

I think the term "missed call" here is all relative. In terms of action on/around the ball (the ball-handler, the shooter, the rebounder) you aren't going to get any better calls with 3 refs instead of 2. There will always be ONE official watching that ball--it's just a matter of what they are or aren't going to call. What you add with a 3rd official is the off-the-ball fouls and weakside fouls. With 3 officials, you will see more illegal screens called, pushing/holding away from the ball going for rebounds, etc.

 

I'll disagree a bit. 3 person crews see more. In a 2 person crew there are often times you simply can't see from your angle. A 3rd person would be able to see those types of plays that you sometimes cannot simply due to 10 bodies being in close proximity.

I'll disagree a bit. 3 person crews see more. In a 2 person crew there are often times you simply can't see from your angle. A 3rd person would be able to see those types of plays that you sometimes cannot simply due to 10 bodies being in close proximity.

 

Here's the thing...three people SHOULD see more. But, often times you'll see one of the officials out near midcourt calling a play down near the baseline, that has one, if not both, of the other officials closer to it...and they don't blow their whistle. Now granted, angles can change your perspective on what happened. What looks like a foul from behind, may be completely clean from the front.

 

But, here's the problem that I've had...officials, when asked will say they didn't SEE the foul because it didn't happen in "their area" (so, subsequently they weren't looking elsewhere, where the foul may have occurred.) To me, they can't have it both ways. You can't call fouls in the other officials "area"...and then use it as an "excuse" for not calling a foul another time.

 

As one coach once told me, having a third official just gives the other two another excuse to NOT to blow their whistle.

I think the term "missed call" here is all relative. In terms of action on/around the ball (the ball-handler, the shooter, the rebounder) you aren't going to get any better calls with 3 refs instead of 2. There will always be ONE official watching that ball--it's just a matter of what they are or aren't going to call. What you add with a 3rd official is the off-the-ball fouls and weakside fouls. With 3 officials, you will see more illegal screens called, pushing/holding away from the ball going for rebounds, etc.

 

What any coach or player wants with any officiating crew is consistency. If you're not calling the hand-checks in the first quarter, don't start calling them in the fourth just because the game is on the line.

 

There are also some officials that are better at following, than leading. If there's someone to "set the example" of what it's a foul and what's not, these "weaker" officials are more likely to be consistent. However, if you've got two of these weaker ones by themselves...that's usually when you've got a problem.

 

However, what we've all got to remember is that these are human beings. Mistakes will be made, even by the best.

Each official has an assigned area so there should not be any "waiting to see what the others are going to do" type of situation.

 

What frustrates me the most is when a ref farthest from the action and partally blocked view makes the call with the other two who are closer and unobstructed call nothing.

 

Then during the game you mention a call to a ref and he says thats the other ref's call.:confused:

All official associations need more officials--maybe you should join the ranks. It is easy to call a game from the stands--not quite the case on the hardwood. Honestly, I don't know of any officials that don't give a 100% while out on the court. It may not be up to your standards (typically those in the stands only see the game one-sided, that is not the way an official calls the game), but they work hard the entire game.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

All official associations need more officials--maybe you should join the ranks. It is easy to call a game from the stands--not quite the case on the hardwood. Honestly, I don't know of any officials that don't give a 100% while out on the court. It may not be up to your standards (typically those in the stands only see the game one-sided, that is not the way an official calls the game), but they work hard the entire game.

 

I agree 100%...Those guys are in a no win situation...

I think one of the issues no one has really brought up here is the extra financial burden the 3 official requirement is putting on schools. For those whose budgets aren't fat to begin with this is a real problem.

I'll disagree a bit. 3 person crews see more. In a 2 person crew there are often times you simply can't see from your angle. A 3rd person would be able to see those types of plays that you sometimes cannot simply due to 10 bodies being in close proximity.

 

I think we're in the same line of thinking. Whether you have 2 officials or 3, there is only one ref on the baseline to call a block/charge on a lay-up. Yes, they obviously see more but it is usually away from the ball--like you said, they have a better angle.

What any coach or player wants with any officiating crew is consistency. If you're not calling the hand-checks in the first quarter, don't start calling them in the fourth just because the game is on the line.

 

There are also some officials that are better at following, than leading. If there's someone to "set the example" of what it's a foul and what's not, these "weaker" officials are more likely to be consistent. However, if you've got two of these weaker ones by themselves...that's usually when you've got a problem.

 

However, what we've all got to remember is that these are human beings. Mistakes will be made, even by the best.

 

I totally agree. It doesn't matter if there are 2 or 3 officials, they should be consistent throughout the game. The 3 officials will see more but they shouldn't change during a game.

There are LEVELS, not rankings. Here is the link to where you can see all the ref's in the state, how many years experience they have, and what level they are.

http://officials.khsaa.org/public/bko.php

 

I see what you are saying. I believe the level has something to do with what score they made on the national test.

It is absolutely amazing the perception that a basketball official gets here on BGP:isurrender:

 

I have friends that officiate here in the state of KY. They tell me we are years behind in Officiating in KY because of the fact the KHSAA has not mandated 3 man crews throughout the regular season. Every state around us has been using 3 man crews for a while. If this is the case, it is very sadening as we are suppose to be one of the so called Basketball States and should be in the forefront of everything Basketball. We have the GREATEST SHOW IN HOOPS, The KHSAA National City state tournament. It uses 3 man crews and has for several years. Has it always had the best officiated games, I would be the first to say NO. WHY? Because our officials around the state do not or have not had the opportunity to officiate a whole season using 3 man crews. If this were the case, I am sure the officials would have more looks and plays in the 3 man system, and just like a basketball team, would get better as the season goes on. :irked:

 

They tell me alot of the problems that most fans complain about, is that they do not understand the 3 man system. Just because an Official is closer to a play does not mean it is his/her area. Take a play where there is an official on the baseline and and another near mid court. The ball is at the 28 foot mark being closely guarded. The offensive player makes a move and drives to the basket and gets fouled by the definsive player. The foul is called. most fans think it should be called by the official on the baseline. Incorrect. The out official near mid court has the call as this is the Primary area for that official. now if that official passes on the call or does not get a good look then the baseline official will make it as it becomes his secondary call.

 

Yes These guys and gals are not perfect and no one ever will be, but these people go out every night and do their best. No not every night is perfect on the court but there is not many of them out there thoes not give 100% every night.

 

If more fans would learn the rules and understand more of the officiating principals, these same people on here that are complaining, would then understand the game more.:thumb: