There is nothing wrong with a post. But for the sake of people who have not been able to watch, why not post "UFC 86 Results *SPOILERS INSIDE*" ? Is that too much to ask? Sorry if I had family obligations and did not expect to see the results in the THREAD TITLE. I opened up this forum expecting to maybe see a thread on UFC 86, not a thread telling the results. It's called courtesy. It's not crazy at all.

 

Thankfully, I didn't know how the fight ended because I did not read the thread. It was still exciting to watch but I'd much rather not known that Forrest won going into the fight.

 

Sorry if my thread is too discourtious for your tastes,... but I agree, if you don't want the results of a pro event you probably shouldn't go into a pro forum.:irked:

To the guys saying you can't take away the champs belt on a close decision I agree and if this was a PRIDE FC fight and you judged the entire fight at the end, it would have been a draw.

 

BUT Athletic Commission Judges score each round at the end of the round and cannot go back and change after the round is completed.

 

Its not just about strikes, its -

 

1. Effective Aggressiveness.

 

This is determined as the fighter showing most effort to win. It is of no use to simply be aggressive. The fighter’s effort must be effective effort.

1.

Effective Technique.

 

This area includes Striking, Clinch Work, Takedowns, Submission attempts, Transitioning, and Positioning.

2.

Cage/ Ring Control. This is assessed by determining which fighter has used the fighting area to his / her advantage the most.

3.

Defense / Escapes.

 

 

Forrest wins in all categories in everything except head shots. He had more overall strikes, 3 sub-attempts, went forward the entire fight except the Round 1 and last minute of Round 5.

 

If anything you need to blame Juanito for telling Rampage he was winning the fight and not telling him to start going forward. Blame Rampage for sitting back and waiting to counter ala Chuck vs Jardine. Blame the champ for letting it go to a decision.

 

Forrest won, NSAC pays and picks the judges not the UFC.

 

You guys better hope that do not let Machida even come close to the LHW title though, because all you will get is decisions.............and they will be boring ones too.

 

Machida is VERY boring. He's a great fighter, but he's very boring. The only entertaining Machida fight I've seen is vs Soukoudjo (sp?).

 

Machida has big wins, but I still think Forrest/Rampage/Chuck could all beat him.

Machida is VERY boring. He's a great fighter, but he's very boring. The only entertaining Machida fight I've seen is vs Soukoudjo (sp?).

 

Machida has big wins, but I still think Forrest/Rampage/Chuck could all beat him.

 

 

I think they can also, BUT he runs and is a lay-n-pray guy. He gets a couple of strikes then gets a take-down each round......it could be a boring fight that will be hard to judge. 60% of his fights are decisions.

I think they can also, BUT he runs and is a lay-n-pray guy. He gets a couple of strikes then gets a take-down each round......it could be a boring fight that will be hard to judge. 60% of his fights are decisions.

 

I agree, but it will be VERY hard for Machida to get someone like Chuck or Rampage to the ground. Chuck and Machida are both counter punch types but I think Chuck would win that battle. I think Rampage could KO Machida as well.

 

I'd love to see them throw Machida in there vs Wanderlie Silva. Silva is aggressive and would bring the heat to Machida.

I'd be ticked if I were you also.

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I'd be ticked if I were you also.

 

It's just annoying. I mean, why do the results have to be in the title?

It's just annoying. I mean, why do the results have to be in the title?

 

Because that's all I cared to discuss. Not all of the other fights. Sorry if it angered you. It was opened a few hours after the fights took place, not immediately following. Reardless my thread didn't change any part of the outcome of the fight. The thread wasn't entitled something different, because what the thread title does say, is in fact the only topic I was interested in at the time of the post. This is my last post on the threads title.

It's just annoying. I mean, why do the results have to be in the title?

 

The scores are in the title of every thread in this forum.

I don't have a big problem with the decision, but I personally don't agree with it.

 

Forrest may have had Rampage in full mount, but other than hurting his leg which got him down to start with, he never came close to hurting him again. To me, that's a 10-9...

 

I like the idea of scoring fights after their over, rather than round-by-round. I don't like seeing the title change hands in the fashion that it did Saturday night.

 

But, this bodes well for Chuck to get his belt back. Forrest is probably a better matchup for him.

I don't have a big problem with the decision, but I personally don't agree with it.

 

Forrest may have had Rampage in full mount, but other than hurting his leg which got him down to start with, he never came close to hurting him again. To me, that's a 10-9...

 

I like the idea of scoring fights after their over, rather than round-by-round. I don't like seeing the title change hands in the fashion that it did Saturday night.

 

But, this bodes well for Chuck to get his belt back. Forrest is probably a better matchup for him.

 

:thumb:

Knock off any discussion on what the thread title should or should not have been.

thought it was an even fight for the most part...FG did control the pace of the fight...but other that the leg kicks didnt really do any damage. I was really disappointed that FG didnt do any real damage when he had mount in the 2nd round. I think the lack of punching power really hurt FG then....

I scored it alot like you did. I had it 48-46 Griffen after watching it a second time. Thats how two judges scored it and one just had it 49-46 which I have no idea how he got that.

 

Round 1- Close round that I actually had Forest winning until he got dropped with the uppercut. After that punch Rampage didnt do any damage the rest of the round but since he had the knock down I had to give the round to him. 10-9 Rampage.

 

Round 2- As everyone knows Forest dominated. I gave him the round 10-8. I know he didnt do a ton of damage on the round but the reason I scored it 10-8 is because Page did absolutely NOTHING that round. If you only score it 10-9 Griffin I can understand that as well.

 

Round 3- Was a pretty close round but I thought Forest was the agressor as he was most of the fight and got the better of the exchanges. Griffin didnt land the harder shots but I thought he landed more strikes and cleaner strikes than Rampage. 10-9 Griffin.

 

Round 4- Another semi close round but I think Rampage won the round clearly. 10-9 Jackson.

 

Round 5- If you scored round 2 10-8 then I think Forest was in the lead going into this round. If you had it 10-9 then I think the winner of this round won the fight. I clearly had Forest winning the round 10-9. I think you would have a hard time making a case for this round to go to Quinton.

 

My Scorecard:

Griffin 9 10 10 9 10 48

Jackson 10 8 9 10 9 46

 

Awesome, awesome fight. Probably fight of the year so far in my eyes. I think it was better than Frank Shamrock/ Cung Le which was what I had as fight of the year til last night.

 

I think Rampage won round 3, 10-9. He put Forrest on the ground, hit him with punches and nearly power-bombed him when breakin the triangle.

I don't have a big problem with the decision, but I personally don't agree with it.

 

Forrest may have had Rampage in full mount, but other than hurting his leg which got him down to start with, he never came close to hurting him again. To me, that's a 10-9...

 

I like the idea of scoring fights after their over, rather than round-by-round. I don't like seeing the title change hands in the fashion that it did Saturday night.

 

But, this bodes well for Chuck to get his belt back. Forrest is probably a better matchup for him.

 

 

:thumb:

 

thus setting up a Chuck vs. Rampage event again.

Jackson was never hurt? Did you not see him nearly collapse after that leg kick? Not to mention after those devastating leg kicks, Forrest took him down and got in the half guard and then proceeded to side control where he nearly got a keylock/kimura. After that he mounted him and peppered in some punches and elbows. Jackson had ZERO offense in round 2. Forrest might not have "damaged" Rampage but he completely dominated round 2 and deserved a 10-8.

 

Limping and being almost knocked out are two different things.

 

A man whose leg is hurt can still hurt you, but one who is knocked senseless has little to no chance of defending himself.

 

All in all, difference in opinion I guess, but that's just the way I look at it.