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Obama and his changing positions

Why has Obama changed his stance 32 members have voted

  1. 1. Why has Obama changed his stance

    • He's a liberal running to the middle for the election
      59%
      19
    • He's a moderate that ran to the left for the primaries
      6%
      2
    • As he gains experience he's re-evaluating his positions
      18%
      6
    • He's just saying what he thinks at the moment
      15%
      5

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He's having nightmares of Obama's secret police coming for his arsenal.
No, but the thought of the SC justices he would appoint would be a real nightmare.
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No, but I fear for my job if he's elected.

 

And, I fear for many people's jobs if he's not elected. Beyond the gun control issue, there are serious economic issues that need to be resolved. If the economy continues in it's current direction, many people in many different industries will continue to lose their jobs.

The economy will continue to decline if gasoline and diesel prices continue to rise. Obama's plan will do nothing to address these prices. Either he will flip-flop on this issue or we will be plunged into a long, deep recession if Obama is elected.

And, I fear for many people's jobs if he's not elected. Beyond the gun control issue, there are serious economic issues that need to be resolved. If the economy continues in it's current direction, many people in many different industries will continue to lose their jobs.
I see him costing more jobs the saving them. McCain will do a much better job, IMO. Then there's the social programs Obama supports, a nightmare for this country's economy!

Reading this reminds me of a scene in the very first Star Wars where the Darth Vader has got one of his colleagues choking and Grand Moff Tarkin says "Enough. Vader, release him. This bickering is pointless."

 

BTW, Rockmom, you are Darth Vader.

 

I like that, "Darth Rockmom." Nice ring to it!

Reading this reminds me of a scene in the very first Star Wars where the Darth Vader has got one of his colleagues choking and Grand Moff Tarkin says "Enough. Vader, release him. This bickering is pointless."

 

BTW, Rockmom, you are Darth Vader.

 

I like that, "Darth Rockmom." Nice ring to it!

 

 

I've never watched a Star Wars movie, but I think you've just insulted me. :irked:

Do we really know for sure what a candidate believes in his heart of hearts?

 

One would be hard-pressed to find four or five issues that JM hasn't switchded positions on. I think most all politicians change their "views" whenever they deem it to be politically expedient for them to do so.

 

Yes, to an extent...you can check their voting records rather than listening to their rhetoric, which is almost without exception geared toward what people want to hear (i.e., what will get them elected).

 

Obviously, they may not have a voting record on every single issue, but there will certainly be something to look at on some points...of course, they can always say they've changed their position. The question is, do we want to believe their actions or their words? In America, I don't think the old saying, "Actions speak louder than words", holds true in presidential elections.

 

Of course, in Obama's case, I don't know what we're to make of the countless times when he chose not to vote at all on certain issues...I suppose it's easier to "modify" your position when you don't take a stand to start with.

I've never watched a Star Wars movie, but I think you've just insulted me. :irked:

 

Watch the movies. You would see I am paying you a high compliment.

Watch the movies. You would see I am paying you a high compliment.

 

 

As much as I would like to find out how you're giving me a compliment, I simply cannot bring myself to watch Star Wars. I lose all interest after the opening credits. :lol:

So-called flip-flops do not bother me provided a candidate acknowledges that his position has changed and is able and willing to give a credible explanation of why his position has changed.

 

Listen for Obama's frequent use of phrases like, "I have always maintained..." and "My position has always been...." Then do some research and discover how often these statements are simply not true. That is my problem with Obama's flip-flops. He flips and then denies that his position has changed.

 

The exact same thing can be said about McCain and his flip flops. He constantly uses phrases very similar to the ones you claim that Obama uses. Do you have a problem when he does it as well?

The exact same thing can be said about McCain and his flip flops. He constantly uses phrases very similar to the ones you claim that Obama uses. Do you have a problem when he does it as well?
I have a problem with any politician changing their position on an issue and pretending that their new position has always been their position.

 

However, I can think of cases where McCain has admitted that his position changed and explained the reason for the change. His position on offshore drilling is the most recent example.

 

Hopefully, McCain will realize that allowing drilling in ANWR is the right thing to do and reverse his position on that issue as well.

 

Another example of the right way for a politician to change positions on issues was Mitt Romney's abortion position. Romney never denied that he once supported abortion. Instead, he explained when and why his position changed.

 

For an undecided voter, you certainly seem quite smitten with Barack Obama. Are you sure that you are still on the fence? :lol:

 

For an undecided voter, you certainly seem quite smitten with Barack Obama. Are you sure that you are still on the fence? :lol:

Maybe he's on the left side of the fence! :D

I have a problem with any politician changing their position on an issue and pretending that their new position has always been their position.

 

However, I can think of cases where McCain has admitted that his position changed and explained the reason for the change. His position on offshore drilling is the most recent example.

 

Hopefully, McCain will realize that allowing drilling in ANWR is the right thing to do and reverse his position on that issue as well.

 

Another example of the right way for a politician to change positions on issues was Mitt Romney's abortion position. Romney never denied that he once supported abortion. Instead, he explained when and why his position changed.

 

For an undecided voter, you certainly seem quite smitten with Barack Obama. Are you sure that you are still on the fence? :lol:

 

I can't answer for HB, but there are a lot us that refuse to be dragged down by all of the negative Obama comments, regardless of whether we vote for him or not. We realize that BOTH sides engage in politics (obviously) to be elected. Just because we refuse to believe the worse of Obama on all topics, as we are often fed on here, we realize that both candidates could possibly be positive leaders for our country.

I can't answer for HB, but there are a lot us that refuse to be dragged down by all of the negative Obama comments, regardless of whether we vote for him or not. We realize that BOTH sides engage in politics (obviously) to be elected. Just because we refuse to believe the worse of Obama on all topics, as we are often fed on here, we realize that both candidates could possibly be positive leaders for our country.
And I cannot speak for anybody but myself but I have noticed those who plan to vote for McCain seem much more willing to acknowledge both his weaknesses and his strengths. Obama supporters seem to be pretty determined to look for nothing but their candidate's strengths.

 

I have never understood placing candidates on pedestals during campaigns, considering the considerable baggage that most of them bring to the table. It cracks me up to see liberals argue how qualified Obama is to be president. I am left wondering what kind of record an inexperienced and unqualified liberal presidential candidate would look like. :lol:

 

In this election, we have one candidate who has a track record of working with US Senators from both parties to pass landmark legislation (much of which I opposed). His opponent has little or no history of working on a bipartisan basis. Yet, liberals tout Obama as a "uniter" and disparage McCain as a GWB clone.

 

I really am having a difficult time how anybody who follows politics at all can accept Obama's promises of change seriously when he has had such little impact in his brief career as a US Senator.

I have a problem with any politician changing their position on an issue and pretending that their new position has always been their position.

 

However, I can think of cases where McCain has admitted that his position changed and explained the reason for the change. His position on offshore drilling is the most recent example.

 

Hopefully, McCain will realize that allowing drilling in ANWR is the right thing to do and reverse his position on that issue as well.

 

Another example of the right way for a politician to change positions on issues was Mitt Romney's abortion position. Romney never denied that he once supported abortion. Instead, he explained when and why his position changed.

 

For an undecided voter, you certainly seem quite smitten with Barack Obama. Are you sure that you are still on the fence? :lol:

 

 

Did the First Bush president ever explain why he went from Pro-Choice to Pro-Life? Or from a critic of "Trickle Down Economics" as "Vodoo Economics?"

 

Many politicians do this often. Some explain their change and others just hope you don't notice. :lol:

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