That's the best pitch for McCain I've heard on this site yet. But we'll see. I'm not sure if I'll ever let anyone on here know who I'm voting for. :lol:

 

 

I don't know, though, when the best pitch for a candidate's election is political stalemate, something is terribly amiss. I want better than stalemate.

I don't know, though, when the best pitch for a candidate's election is political stalemate, something is terribly amiss. I want better than stalemate.

 

Unfortunately, you're not going to find that with either candidate this year....

With a Democrat Congress, McCain does the least amount of harm over the next 4 years.

 

Politically speaking, would this be the "Hippocrit Oath?"

I don't know, though, when the best pitch for a candidate's election is political stalemate, something is terribly amiss. I want better than stalemate.

 

IMHO less government is better government so a stalemate is often times preferable to government action. Particularly if the government action is more likely to do harm than good which is too frequently the case. Obviously a perpetual stalemate is a problem but most days I'm happier if Congress has failed to act than I would be if Congress did act.

Maybe WalMart would move you over to the Home & Gardens department.

I wouldn't want to push you out of your job, math.

It ain't easy being gangsta these days.

Word.

The exact same thing can be said about McCain and his flip flops. He constantly uses phrases very similar to the ones you claim that Obama uses. Do you have a problem when he does it as well?

Examples of McCain flip flops?

Examples of McCain flip flops?

 

I've posted them in other threads. They're out there.

Examples of McCain flip flops?

 

My list is not complete, but these are the McCain flip-flops that I can document by quotations and/or links. All are documented by McCain's own words. Each of these I have researched and can substantiate one-by-one. There are some others that I am still in the process of documenting. I will be glad to document any of these that you wish, and will likely do so in an upcoming thread. McBush will likely add to his list of flip-flops between now and that thread.

 

McCain Flip-Flops:

 

1. Bush Tax Cuts

 

2. Gay Marriage

 

3. Iraq/Timetable for Withdrawal

 

4. Off-shore Drilling

 

5. Ethanol

 

6. Confederate Flag

 

7. Cuba

 

8. Privatize Social Security

 

9. Ethics Reform

 

10. Immigration

 

11. Abortion

 

12. Hamas

 

13. War for Oil

 

14. Religious Right

 

15. Amnesty

 

16. Torture

 

17. Muqtada Al-Sadr

 

18. Death Tax

 

19. Negative Campaigning

 

20. FISA

 

21. English as Second Language

 

22. Iraq Safety/Gen. Petraeus

 

23. Iran-Al Queda Connection

 

24. Iraq- Easy or Difficult Military Operation?

 

25. Georg Bush Policies

 

26. Knowledge of Economic Issues

 

27. Are Americans Better Off Today Than Eight Yrs. Ago?

 

28. The Mcain/Kennedy Immigration Bill

 

29. Fed. Response /Katrina

My list is not complete, but these are the McCain flip-flops that I can document by quotations and/or links. All are documented by McCain's own words. Each of these I have researched and can substantiate one-by-one. There are some others that I am still in the process of documenting. I will be glad to document any of these that you wish, and will likely do so in an upcoming thread. McBush will likely add to his list of flip-flops between now and that thread.

 

McCain Flip-Flops:

 

1. Bush Tax Cuts

 

2. Gay Marriage

 

3. Iraq/Timetable for Withdrawal

 

4. Off-shore Drilling

 

5. Ethanol

 

6. Confederate Flag

 

7. Cuba

 

8. Privatize Social Security

 

9. Ethics Reform

 

10. Immigration

 

11. Abortion

 

12. Hamas

 

13. War for Oil

 

14. Religious Right

 

15. Amnesty

 

16. Torture

 

17. Muqtada Al-Sadr

 

18. Death Tax

 

19. Negative Campaigning

 

20. FISA

 

21. English as Second Language

 

22. Iraq Safety/Gen. Petraeus

 

23. Iran-Al Queda Connection

 

24. Iraq- Easy or Difficult Military Operation?

 

25. Georg Bush Policies

 

26. Knowledge of Economic Issues

 

27. Are Americans Better Off Today Than Eight Yrs. Ago?

 

28. The Mcain/Kennedy Immigration Bill

 

29. Fed. Response /Katrina

How about the ones I have bolded. If you want to address all that is fine. I just tried to pick out some the move important issues to me.

How about the ones I have bolded. If you want to address all that is fine. I just tried to pick out some the move important issues to me.

 

It's very easy to find his flip flops about the Bush Tax Cuts. I will do it later, I have to go to work right now.

Mr. McCain has reversed himself on some issues — most notably, embracing the Bush tax cuts now after deriding them initially as fiscally risky and excessively skewed to the wealthy — and continues to adjust his positions on others. On Monday, he said he continued to oppose opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling, leaving him at odds with the White House and most of his party, but said he favored giving states more flexibility to decide whether to explore for oil off their coasts.

 

LINK

Would it be fair to say that this country and economy is very different today then it was in 2003? Maybe in 2003 McCain didn't feel the tax cuts were necessary. But with today's struggling economy it would be insane to allow them to expire. How is that a flip flop? Changing one's stance on an issue over the course of 5 years isn't flip flopping.

 

One should base their positions on issue by the current situation of the market / economy / country. Today I would say we do not need to invade Iran. However, if tomorrow Iran came out and said we have nukes and intend on launching them against the US then I say let's blow them the hell. Does that make me a flip flopper?

Would it be fair to say that this country and economy is very different today then it was in 2003? Maybe in 2003 McCain didn't feel the tax cuts were necessary. But with today's struggling economy it would be insane to allow them to expire. How is that a flip flop? Changing one's stance on an issue over the course of 5 years isn't flip flopping.

 

One should base their positions on issue by the current situation of the market / economy / country. Today I would say we do not need to invade Iran. However, if tomorrow Iran came out and said we have nukes and intend on launching them against the US then I say let's blow them the hell. Does that make me a flip flopper?

 

Your argument may have some merit. But when the pattern is so very clear on so many issues, I tend to think that it is a case of pandering/saying and doing whatever one thinks it will take to get elected; rather than evolving stances over time.

Your argument may have some merit. But when the pattern is so very clear on so many issues, I tend to think that it is a case of pandering/saying and doing whatever one thinks it will take to get elected; rather than evolving stances over time.

You are correct if everything math has posted has merit. I will reserve judgement until he responds.