They don't need to get anything for him. Just get rid of him, his salary, and his attitude. They tried and it's just didn't work trying to build around him and Griffey. Time to build a new foundation.

 

Needs to happen badly. Also, with a few tweaks, the future might be very close.

I said the same thing last year and just got creamed on here for such heresy.:thumb:

 

Last year he was decent, this year not so much.:lol:

Some interesting stats on Dunner that you haters won't like.

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805110428

 

HIT DUNN NO. 2

 

It is simply untrue that Adam Dunn (below right) is not a good

 

2-hole hitter.

 

Though conventional wisdom says a 2-hole hitter must make contact and spray the ball around, the facts don't support it. It's more important to get on base because that's what best leads to scoring runs. Hitting behind the runner might look good and fit "the book" approach, but sac-bunting and swinging away are a break-even proposition.

 

Look at it this way: Whether to sac-bunt or swing away is a matter of managing risk. If you sac-bunt, you're less likely to get on base, but the outs you generate are not as bad because you advance the runner. If you swing away, you're more likely to get on base and advance the runner additional bases, but you're also more likely to generate a "bad" out that doesn't advance the runner or, even worse, results in a double play.

 

On balance, sac-bunting and swinging away average out, just as Dunn's approach to hitting averages out.

 

He makes considerably less contact than the average 2-hole hitter (he's high-risk), but he's high-reward because of all the bombs he hits - and he has an excellent on-base average, which means that even though he's whiffing a lot, he more than offsets it with his high on-base average from walking a lot.

At No. 2, a .380 OBA guy who strikes out and is slow is better than a fast .315 OBA guy. Especially if Mr. .380 OBA hits 40 bombs.

 

Batting Dunn No. 2 gets him to the plate 50 more times in a season than batting him No. 5.

 

And why is such a big deal made about the 2-hole hitter advancing the runner, anyway? Last year, the Reds' No. 2 hitter came to bat more than half the time (56 percent) with nobody on base.

 

Did you know that over the last two seasons Dunn has been right in line with the league average in terms of advancing runners from first base? (League average: 40 percent; Dunn, 39.7 percent)

 

The only Red with a comparable number of opportunities who advanced runners at a significantly higher rate was Encarnacion (45 percent), while Phillips - who might look more like a traditional 2-hole hitter to some - actually has advanced runners at a lower rate (38 percent) than Dunn.

And did you know that in only 35 more at-bats than Dunn with a runner on first, Phillips has hit into 24 more double plays?

I don't like anything having to do with the state of Texas....to hell with him!

I've said it for along time now. Until Griff+Dunn are gone+the Reds get pitching they won't win in the playoffs. The pitching has potential and the best player in the minors is waiting in the wings. We might miss Dunn's power a little but not the strikeouts and the worst outfielder in baseball quit possibly! Sad thing is they have waited too late and won't get as much as they would have. He should be a DH in the AL. I think he would be so much better there!

I've been arguing for Dunn in the #2 spot ...

 

I realize that Reds fans aren't entirely happy with Dunn and Griffry, but some of you act like the Reds should just donate them to some contending team for little in return, if need be. If you want to trade them, let them get hot and then try to deal for something of value.

 

You just don't give away guys like Dunn that can get on base and hit with power.

I have been arguing, in the comfortable realm of close friends, that we should've gotten rid of Dunn for at least 2 years now. He has a great eye, he hits for power...to quote Matt Foley (aka the late Chris Farley)- "Whoopti Freakin Doo!". In The Great American "Small"park, who couldn't hit with some pop?? He doesn't lead on a young team. He is lazy. He could give ManRam a run for the worst defensive left fielder in baseball, IMO. The time has come to restructure the landscape in the Queen City and I believe it starts with Dunn, although it most certainly shouldn't end there.

I've been arguing for Dunn in the #2 spot ...

 

I realize that Reds fans aren't entirely happy with Dunn and Griffry, but some of you act like the Reds should just donate them to some contending team for little in return, if need be. If you want to trade them, let them get hot and then try to deal for something of value.

 

You just don't give away guys like Dunn that can get on base and hit with power.

 

Exactly why Dunn should have been dealt last year.

The conspiracy theory side of me thinks Dunn has thrown it in for the year and is doing his best to sabotage any trades that may come up.

I have been arguing, in the comfortable realm of close friends, that we should've gotten rid of Dunn for at least 2 years now. He has a great eye, he hits for power...to quote Matt Foley (aka the late Chris Farley)- "Whoopti Freakin Doo!". In The Great American "Small"park, who couldn't hit with some pop?? He doesn't lead on a young team. He is lazy. He could give ManRam a run for the worst defensive left fielder in baseball, IMO. The time has come to restructure the landscape in the Queen City and I believe it starts with Dunn, although it most certainly shouldn't end there.

 

:ylsuper:

The conspiracy theory side of me thinks Dunn has thrown it in for the year and is doing his best to sabotage any trades that may come up.

I know Adam personally and I can assure you that this is not the case. This is a contract year, He wants to put up huge numbers. He told me he was fine with being in Cincy his entire career.

I know Adam personally and I can assure you that this is not the case. This is a contract year, He wants to put up huge numbers. He told me he was fine with being in Cincy his entire career.

 

Coupon, could you tell Mr. Dunn to expand the strike zone with 2 strikes. Cutting down on K's would make him look a whole lot better in my humble opinion. He could be a fantastic player if his batting average was around .270-.285 range. Then I would embrace him much more. As long as he flounders around the .240-.260 mark, as he tends to do, I will not be a fan.

QUOTE=HarryDoyle;2812987]Coupon, could you tell Mr. Dunn to expand the strike zone with 2 strikes. Cutting down on K's would make him look a whole lot better in my humble opinion. He could be a fantastic player if his batting average was around .270-.285 range. Then I would embrace him much more. As long as he flounders around the .240-.260 mark, as he tends to do, I will not be a fan.

 

He's a lot closer to the Mendoza line than .240-.260.

I know Adam personally and I can assure you that this is not the case. This is a contract year, He wants to put up huge numbers. He told me he was fine with being in Cincy his entire career.

Maybe he is trying too hard.:lol::lol:

I know Adam personally and I can assure you that this is not the case. This is a contract year, He wants to put up huge numbers. He told me he was fine with being in Cincy his entire career.

 

And I would be fine with that as well.